From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A01B1382C5 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 07:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E7FCAE0ABB; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 07:40:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-x241.google.com (mail-wm0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F7B4E0AA3 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 07:40:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-x241.google.com with SMTP id v71so10345774wmv.2 for ; Thu, 01 Feb 2018 23:40:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gIoT8TU+NRq96gU/3RHWO2LmyVMblMac5UlWyNnCZUk=; b=mNK5ccQdp7jm0plMqlVuDq2pYpSVO4XR8pUOppTfcGMMU+AnA7da60u8WK27qWzZ2r VvWFfCtwXiJiFA/h+YRHQbZLtAjSSmltG8gLdfl24S74TM8Nhi4vUHWNW9cii+IdzYJ5 ZSPkbm0GG9ZAQP8qTvxK2mWPgGAio0yEpxp+cd5k3gEgu1aTolDF/9HkEGWlR6gJUZD1 DaR1lR8tiVeMLUOkYQfGIoDFF0Dd30k1s7JX6LwRQfoFhNGv3hkHgC0siP6WObvi3Jb7 cNDoaD2qIgPLnx69aGy1nZQNc+eTwJ+I8ZiJi0f9JX8IAYNlyZEKqpSHAUta9o6liogr 7JQQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gIoT8TU+NRq96gU/3RHWO2LmyVMblMac5UlWyNnCZUk=; b=YV1460Xcc3vbcSY2KtBBnWTgCiCiio90adYxdLjo559WZvfLUVhriZxleMsBrn93MS gF6g//w5rW4AfFp2XCx7WE1KbLG5kRqxxoJzIi8TsFHt4eZYTD/nm4SuMHJ8vbe5ZUQu f8D3GXsiyBTCAEKjN5lsJcSnb2e56tsSouvAccoPxckR2FfyKSFjrCeDucuF5P5ksy/7 RA7Glg3Iz9daB50sMOuqyxMGraF88DDpC4XEVSzMdB2BHe0dIPk5RJKnuahywcmMN5Bf ZR2XZp1YNNYz1Do7+KaMB6hFTMhuGgD080T1zh7REwuBk9I9CCG0+yVXWyhnOGA0mGnN A0Tg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytej2kzha7vCCnFNca4Nh1BB2fIb7lBNelg0PY3xCDKw0I1OB+xF 2qbDLf0/6vO/RLkJxaRtORc6AaUe X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x225YSzgcu/ESmjzJlqLiaaiRdLJiZMG8sYyd+TF/QUY6F6i3XB5E8tT3V4VGTkpI7Bq6FchR1A== X-Received: by 10.80.143.38 with SMTP id 35mr3783993edy.183.1517557205805; Thu, 01 Feb 2018 23:40:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from khamul.localdomain ([209.212.109.4]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id m15sm988326edj.41.2018.02.01.23.40.04 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 01 Feb 2018 23:40:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] A little help for non-native English speakers To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <2979311.yKovLQH099@peak> <20180201185530.592dfe59@digimed.co.uk> <20180201225214.GA9390@kern> From: Alan McKinnon Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 09:34:06 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180201225214.GA9390@kern> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 1b949e87-52e2-42b5-9651-fb0912ba0116 X-Archives-Hash: 7e8e6adb12c85f2e3342fa9de5ac3de7 On 02/02/2018 00:52, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > On Thu, Feb 01, 2018 at 06:55:30PM +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Thu, 1 Feb 2018 13:12:07 -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: >> >>> Well, as long as we're explaining grammar, I'll elaborate a tiny bit >>> more since a lot of people (including native English speakers) get >>> these wrong. >> [snip] >>> I figured that would make >>> the example more confusion which would defeat the purpose. >> ~~~~~~~~~ >> >> MUPHRY'S LAW: The principle that any criticism of the writing of others >> will itself contain at least one grammatical error. >> >> And don't get me started on people using "which" when they should be using >> "that". >> >> (In this case, which is correct but it should have a preceding comma). > > > When your reading this sentance, you fill find their are definately some > errors in it’s spelling. That is a art less and less people can make proper > use of. > > *SCNR* > > > PS.: As a non-native, I always found e.g. and i.e. easy to keep apart > because when you say "e.g." as a word without the dots, it becomes "eg", > which, phonetically, is the start of the word "example". > As a native English speaker I can never remember the precedence rules about its and it's... I vote we dump English in it's entirety and all switch to Python -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com