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[65.0.93.225]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p63sm2733470ywp.39.2018.04.02.01.33.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 02 Apr 2018 01:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Firefox and addons no longer supported question To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <20180331173626.nmq7jbqi2r2sxuwc@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> <20180401143550.ia5mmamo5f44aysn@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> <20180401222629.lrhfnu5juhxcocda@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> <20180402002807.iyf6zepv3fvaa3fb@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> <20180402073708.qzphgiws5chviwc2@solfire> From: Dale Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=rdalek1967@gmail.com; keydata= xsFNBFpEtdQBEADI51WaryP3FJlDfmCQx2aPQpSppEKxqWhCTA8KFEcOVFmIIfiFAeekqMMD mhUxgZTtlQh7dsNqha6ioaYDqGKTv7oeJlPJw4hmIMJX3WYVSOHlsJUNM2jpDIAFeEKfup/T zDzFpuU2Qtr/Y0ji35wHyOAZLRckeNk705oRvE9wqi6noTP15Gxmw/U6aMzEfvu+wGEfCjgs 9bERmu+CS75PZEaFAv8RnsXUv1UcvQ45jmk/8ni/ogxE2h53OIp6c/hOlgJkSVRQWPZZyKZw lDiSUKCtMXPMdZ9w0X6RltQxtIQXO0KxAKaAp+tnL8z+0piafF5uW4RIglhT922RXKxxdZyx SjRgtE4V1IPtUcwPAeqVUZw2P1b4pjfPv7tNtMoFsIiY0ZnT+ua4ps6KOUeocRPKAX14mZkL jt/sZM7aIKiwyoteshRgWNNkxh4OiSxGCRUKNQI8M42cRSidvJZ6SGZXM3WpV28RPyF7+0Ba 0stEQwBGNF8uxgytY9rOJ7obmIpEZKx1p3W1O1hadOjBo2110jMDirRXtktMDfBDvVKkOZ06 vLu16uZLb0O52euhl2dMcEI3ZoCAFTKtdwMITIDj1TcMBZar6+bcwOicSFFogOLHQLJZRO5q I5szOIYW7+c0yNqPRLT3Sq7HzDyuyTUjmPZSAcqOwzX8GwUFkwARAQABzRtEYWxlIDxyZGFs ZWsxOTY3QGdtYWlsLmNvbT7CwZQEEwEIAD4WIQSUDVlCt0m0Z/PsCaxgB5lCagHqugUCWkS1 1AIbIwUJCWYBgAULCQgHAgYVCAkKCwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRBgB5lCagHqurR7D/45/q20 vXdrJGxrkNphotmlBtTpNbVauu5A2NDv3E1Il6yqRBfh4Xw7xFuwhz9DqThuvByU6566vr0z 7oVCK33dxRm4WA7YaogRQZy4VVIbHdrksnh2f702CFllqtn5Y29M2JtXG5jiiL3aZNEhoyP9 eMtzLPGs56yZ3eMkz4U7DEmWCAUr8bbuXW+eq/A0V5djcFdHfmanuDZSxzg+cZTpVOLolS2b pmNsPTSMkJ2MDY2Kfdg3gPhSaawo2agQfgnf9E7vSm7z/rlk8bBUWcPAP/XTN9ndVwOO3x74 EQv/M4EiCTtNpw3yapVZI2NhA1wqW648D7RxIPD8Y3nkJVDS4x5g54xDe1IUFOtVUSDAh+vY wUJt7vgbCeRjyT8XbuGW9RokIos3ALNaPoq/FDNEqefbmop0CPRih6aLFHWT4YBA6xQjLJuP LSNvalNqE5mef0giCtnLxo/lkjnP9Sv+t/5VSHda5zkVuN0+2w46SbGvXIHRkSoSi6XH3ccq KayJC+oTqo4xf9J30c7CV4rEcYnJcnxMw0vcYmU3DwjGfKxuKcLHgPr9mDNWvhteroA5wNWw NzQ72yAj7rsZVUXCxZgiPldSH3SXZJ/Jo6E9JouzQgRb/I4Vy4jx0Yw8rJLDx/ha82fn+FVe cFbiodVV5UD0inw488IAAtJE+Zi0t87BTQRaRLXUARAA38iHcF7M7GnkS73dazdLBgz2YJsu fpix/N/x4CvoHMqTuwi4ASz1WroYjl3KajeH0DSybyPdEQ7nffxIUt48deT3j/rwsJkPRvCF BpmcwxErd/Mbq0BgikYxXvO68aEAs4jBDR26YtONfjobEfd+Juhxci9UN9vTOCgSPhY+dxHs MZ0gHRzvMnpM3o3+oht/XRZr05RQx83DvTIqWnjDQlCseYYlbFp+rFTZi7ro71ULDThfCE0p +f+IQ3zX0cRKOcJGtNRvyWH6PxmN4td6Q7gPHfAsFPLsCpg7nZwOejtAktPejtSEXlN6QOKv bmRQxNtzgMtjzJNNJW2NtBz0DIW394+9stchQRKLqH8n8GnB6tlkfPg4vgf/kq14QQSZcb0F M36wk+i1Hk+TWYWbOBoUw9+X941Pw1JnglJ3tzpBh+36+pdG02Lbm2v6SaZ69zkDfzJ2Sfhb E+KQLibLkiCOhuSDLDWUgUeb0lJ/0qlo3vcQMTBuG5eiWiwBkp4C+ACb1f1Akq0mFvim+gCJ qJOTu0IDK9DjKLKglA3Z6sbeepnXq8fxB2Mo/SFSYEsGqUu4MLxgwnPg7zi+rKg7MhqdiBBE fqugmNguCEYZjJrGCCzwuqPXAZAcyzEYTGFKwI6NdEZ6v8Xc3om9MJomB3y1uzG6K7T9ue5H aw/2aqEAEQEAAcLBfAQYAQgAJhYhBJQNWUK3SbRn8+wJrGAHmUJqAeq6BQJaRLXUAhsMBQkJ ZgGAAAoJEGAHmUJqAeq6/ykP/ib6xEHednaXvzZvvj854PB5ffBqKkphbf51g6pxPvFBWMwY E7Bu/kq8e3hkp3rzX42BjqiUmfEe2OyfZCabXLybP8i/QRkHTzD5nLoIYLeL+62N/WQFW1NU VhqdfQbMhphNgP1mvG2Ib5R6S+Fb+vkw776oq6jLwUBP/o6PPpp62GyvFvFb9ekxV9+sE4yG V3DTqURBY+aXfc/MTzlCXp4u4QzFW9odfcb/kb9f1m/gZbWGihAqeMd1HViXQoMzTx6IuP13 eQAkKj4FlA2QMzbEOOKO6fliSt1JweJoh0OLCEAM/3q+LaflMvvjhl9ht00IUT/ySj3/dZdf EdTpuUAtnC3A3flwgK/aetkkOhrkx9hx4SKn6UHtAl+eCqP1Mae+nWzkisBL0/hBPEz713md 5I+4Y4QjIokRiz/5l/TFwpGu26zmDfDUkZmxZR/iNCW0VAmZE2YdyRm3PYcFcVXuZ1f/ff0D us9xGsO8V6F5EIwx/9Y6AWQdW7PoKHA21ri93PoRgjv+QoOifXEkhJwTKg5k5b1Tr7h9eRU/ Se2XigPVODjrN9FRfkx/JxlJcCs/igGJS05BmiZNIIRDKBGdXy/Fj5HQB2q5v5DfvrLMNTwK Aa8pn/em1SKC/l9aV9ygpN+cQPKoQjGxPPaId/rwX+GVxKl2vakjHLPLQmm3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2018 03:33:38 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.7.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180402073708.qzphgiws5chviwc2@solfire> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 02319028-93fe-42e1-b852-46ed248c2c38 X-Archives-Hash: 01e64820a45aa4f7db81c8a2d1a1ccf6 tuxic@posteo.de wrote: > On 04/02 05:41, Martin Vaeth wrote: >> Bill Kenworthy wrote: >>> I use the palemoon overlay. >> There is also the octopus overlay. >> Anyway, both can only react to upstream. >> >>> builds fine with gcc-6.4 >> Yes, but it has random crashes which do not occur with gcc-5, >> and as somebody familiar with the code posted somewhere, >> the reasons are quite some assumptions in assembler code >> which should not have been made. (I simply repeated these >> claims without checking them.) >> >> Upstream knows about it and therefore officially does not >> support building with gcc-6. Since firefox upstream has fixed >> all these things ages ago, and palemoon is not able to identify >> or pull the corresponding patches this shows IMHO that it >> has already diverged to a degree that it cannot be reasonably >> maintained with the resources they have, and I doubt that >> security issues are closed (or worse: recognized) timely: >> In contrast to crashes (even Heisenbug crashes), security >> issues cannot be "detected" if there is no expert regularly >> checking the code very carfully. >> >> The decision to stick with legacy extension api completely >> excludes that there is some convergence of the fork in the >> future. >> >> Also the refusal to implement webextension apis (which is >> consequent, since it is hardly possible to maintain 2 >> more and more diverging apis) has the side effect that >> only obsolete versions of the actively maintained extensions >> like noscript and ublock-origin can be used. In the moment, >> the legacy version of noscript is still maintained, but only >> because of the tor browser. I suppose eventually this will change. >> >> I also do not know much about waterfox, but if one goal ist >> to keep legacy extensions, I am afraid it will go the palemoon >> way, too: >> It seems currently that mozilla, google, and apple are the only >> oranganizations with enough resources to maintain full browsers, >> and any forks of their browsers which diverge more than a patchset >> of essentially fixed size are doomed to fail for this very reason. >> >> > > ...and if after all that (at least) firefox gets so bulky and has such > a hugh memory footprint that (on a multitasking OS) no other > reasonable "powerful" application will multitask with it (or your > machine goes swapping) and if mozilla itsself walks down an at least > questionable way...then... > What? > > In the moment I cannot use firefox - regardless how > advanced/secure/modern/or what it is. It does not fit into > my working environment - it is to huge. > > Cheers > Meino > I have to agree.  I use different Firefox profiles for different things.  One reason, I can be logged into same website but as different users at the same time.  Another reason, when one profile becomes a memory hog, I can restart it but not disturb the others.  Another reason, I can customize each profile based on what I do with it.  I notice in the last year or so that Firefox regularly uses over 1GB of ram in most all of my profiles.  Sometimes it can approach 2GBs.  I've tried going to about:memory and clicking the free up memory button but it does little good.  It may free up some but generally not enough to matter.  Closing and restarting Firefox does work tho.  I have one profile that I use for things such as financial sites and ordering online.  I use addons like noscript, adblock and such which sort of helps prevent tracking and such.  I also use the https addon with it as well.  I sort of wish Firefox would shrink back down on its size and let us install addons for features we want and be able to do that for each profile.  For example, I have one profile that I use to download videos with.  It has download helper installed on it but I don't install it on the other profiles.  On one profile, I have a screenshot tool installed.  I use it to document some admin/mod stuff I do on a website.  I don't need a screenshot tool on other profiles tho. Basically, it would be nice if more things were that way because we can chose what features we want for each profile based on what we do with it.  Even USE flags won't work with this because if it is done with USE flags, it applies to all profiles.  Even if a person only has one profile, they just install what features they want instead of a whole bunch of stuff that may never be used or even wanted. While I like progress on some things, others, I wish progress had more options.  Sometimes, I don't want a bloated monster of a program.  If anything, I may want to add things that improve security but has no other "features" included.  Then on others, I may not care much about security but want features.  Having a bare program and the ability to add features, that allows everyone to have what they want.  They can pick a huge bloated program or a bare metal barely gets the job done program.  Just thinking out loud.  ;-) Dale :-)  :-)