From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4362C13829B for ; Sun, 29 May 2016 20:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 376E7143C9; Sun, 29 May 2016 20:15:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f66.google.com (mail-wm0-f66.google.com [74.125.82.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6F33234008 for ; Sun, 29 May 2016 20:15:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f66.google.com with SMTP id n129so16572569wmn.1 for ; Sun, 29 May 2016 13:15:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Zm+ar/q+vdsVkxyfmSZDiAQ/rhyiuVbkcJNDho6jO5E=; b=WPlG8M1HgfdgOOsGudGXMpIfNAOQiwSS1WDib2H45JNGXW5lY+2zA1uomBQa65liQl empHiAJ0pBGMBYtq6Bb94yuysgsEX0CsaCQJkID2vXAD6diveRdD93IXE81YZ09Qslmi sgF+fWfi6lZmS5tP3fW3hukq5zKgrv8Nz37qAOF3gVCWoliRDNg+RlDgO2y0b87TktiW eJ9EHBx48k8QhshWlrBke2Hrx50inxpUBEOUup+rngWmP/XTsfg+nG5iSJvBXUysH76W 8K02zivMmuQZHC/c2cDXcf+RJ8eJIaDdU4SKhTSDldZz812MqZPnjo7eMw+16gHd+CbQ roHA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Zm+ar/q+vdsVkxyfmSZDiAQ/rhyiuVbkcJNDho6jO5E=; b=VbE6dVp+AFPGS0FunfFRpBlN9ATNMHMFdkj44A1q3ixsPXE/01aYHhOKyz6miUPcvG LI3Bim6rN3fCYQ3FQJwLJWnZN28wGXTqzqXbzPr/28VQoGk1QKT0xtjc32hINHAuGbKh 6YAewiFr6zBBtbMVjQYiee7l2lEQ/aAngqYo9jBirQPImqtDcnXzk12Lc4dE2FphvhXX wC1GMIo56V/HnIyQT3XZgpXhmOXGUh3tQL2oG53CDtcuHwRxcX0OZOQeKitQ0vb080iD hD/Du9NgqTr/uT2vHHuBAGu49jeeYm8TSppDEZRRXLOXJqb3dAJY6DEhAG5a6f+u0aHh Vqsg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKn5iLEcCjfcsen003hr4orZiuUaiIJ4NlK81a9OUZdigbpvbUkV/x5t29HfVKg7Q== X-Received: by 10.195.17.138 with SMTP id ge10mr3177289wjd.94.1464552938440; Sun, 29 May 2016 13:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.40] ([196.212.62.210]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id q1sm11382741wjx.18.2016.05.29.13.15.36 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 29 May 2016 13:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] How to be a penguin. To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <5749C1AE.5020905@verizon.net> <20160528111929.503f9bbd@sepulchrave.remarqs> <5749D00C.4030408@gmail.com> <5749E469.7020601@gmail.com> <5749E832.1030404@gmail.com> <5749F761.7020803@googlemail.com> <20160528215322.12a267c2@digimed.co.uk> <574AA83F.1000502@alstadheim.priv.no> <574AB64C.8030708@gmail.com> <89310c78-a862-c780-4e42-7e523540ab29@gmail.com> <574B2CF3.6090400@gmail.com> From: Alan McKinnon Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 22:15:31 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <574B2CF3.6090400@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 1868cd24-0074-47f6-b5e8-10bb1925486e X-Archives-Hash: 93783cfc0a862df94e1f3986a12eb59c On 29/05/2016 19:54, Dale wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 29/05/2016 11:28, Dale wrote: >>> Håkon Alstadheim wrote: >>>> Den 29. mai 2016 03:17, skrev Gregory Woodbury: >>>>> WOW! >>>>> >>>>> Alan just wants to start it and walk away, as if Gentoo was a binary >>>>> distribution >>>>> that handles it all upstream. He doesn't want to take the time to >>>>> review what >>>>> emerge is proposing and see if changes are needed first. >>>>> >>>> It IS actually possible to do that, at least for non-critical systems. >>>> Just make sure to mail yourself with the emerge output, so you can fix >>>> things before the next automatic run. >>>> >>>> The point being that you don't have to sit and watch while emerge works. >>>> You can have the output of any blocks or failures waiting for you in >>>> your inbox at your convenience. >>>> >>>> For this to work in a timely fashion you need to stay on stable packages >>>> as much as possible, and also keep other customizations to a minimum, >>>> e.g. don't use --autounmask-write. >>>> >>> Thing is, that's not what Alan seems to want. Alan wants something like >>> Ubuntu or something where you tell it to upgrade and then walk away >>> without checking anything. >> >> You are both wrong. What Alan Grimes really wants is an excuse (any >> excuse) to whine, whinge and bitch about $STUFF. >> >> Notice how he never replies to any thread he starts? >> >> > > > Well, he did reply. Either his script is still doing it or he did and > he hasn't learned anything yet. > > It's funny how he is the only one that has these problems and how he > keeps using that disaster of a script. I don't think anyone has posted > a positive thing about that script. I'm no script guru by any means but > even I can read that thing and see what a disaster it is. > > Best of luck to him. I'm about done trying to help. Key word, trying. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > I agree Dale. Mr Grimes should probably move over to Linux From Scratch. It has none of portage's absurdities, makes no effort at all to be helpful to the user and allows anyone to write any build automation they feel is appropriate. LFS also requires you to watch all the compiler output all the time to catch problems; it all seems to match Mr Grimes' requirements right down to a tee. I'm going to STFU down, go to bed and finish an astonishingly intriguing Stephen King book and let the computer get on with doing whatever it thinks perl-cleaner fixes. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com