[gentoo-user] went from x86 to ~x86: no more X11

[gentoo-user] went from x86 to ~x86: no more X11

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Greets, gentoo-users,

I wanted to go to full ~x86 on my thinkpad these days, so I started with
an "emerge -avu system" and after a successful reboot I did "emerge
-avuDN world".

X11 didn't come up anymore ... I even tried a "emerge -e world", just to
"get it right" but still no luck.

See my Xorg.0.log: http://dpaste.com/130873/

I regenerated xorg.conf by running nvidia-xconfig, I removed xorg.conf
for a test (leads to a segfault!) ... I for sure rebuilt all my
xf86-drivers. No luck so far.

Any idea on what to try? That RECORD-extension topic seems to just be a
warning, correct?

Thanks, Stefan

Re: [gentoo-user] went from x86 to ~x86: no more X11

[Joshua Murphy]

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger <lists@xunil.at> wrote:
>
> Greets, gentoo-users,
>
> I wanted to go to full ~x86 on my thinkpad these days, so I started with
> an "emerge -avu system" and after a successful reboot I did "emerge
> -avuDN world".
>
> X11 didn't come up anymore ... I even tried a "emerge -e world", just to
> "get it right" but still no luck.
>
> See my Xorg.0.log: http://dpaste.com/130873/
>
> I regenerated xorg.conf by running nvidia-xconfig, I removed xorg.conf
> for a test (leads to a segfault!) ... I for sure rebuilt all my
> xf86-drivers. No luck so far.
>
> Any idea on what to try? That RECORD-extension topic seems to just be a
> warning, correct?
>
> Thanks, Stefan

Looking at that log, my first question is... does your thinkpad run
1680x1050? The RECORD disable shouldn't make a difference on X
actually loading, based on the message it gives, and the (EE) lines
about dri/dri2 shouldn't be an issue with nvidia drivers if I recall
(my box with an nvidia card's down at the moment, and it's on a
slightly older version of X and nvidia drivers, old hardware as it
is). Also, is this with or without hal & dbus? newest few versions of
X were finicky with me about running -hal, but work fine with +hal (as
long as hal is running as well).

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Joshua M. Murphy

Re: [gentoo-user] went from x86 to ~x86: no more X11

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Joshua Murphy schrieb:

> Looking at that log, my first question is... does your thinkpad run
> 1680x1050? 

Yes. ThinkPad R61 ...

> The RECORD disable shouldn't make a difference on X
> actually loading, based on the message it gives, and the (EE) lines
> about dri/dri2 shouldn't be an issue with nvidia drivers if I recall
> (my box with an nvidia card's down at the moment, and it's on a
> slightly older version of X and nvidia drivers, old hardware as it
> is). 

dri/dri2-warnings were there before as well, yes ...

And the RECORD-message is in the log of my (working) ~amd64-box as well.

> Also, is this with or without hal & dbus? newest few versions of
> X were finicky with me about running -hal, but work fine with +hal (as
> long as hal is running as well).

hald and dbus running, xorg-server with +hal.

thank you, Stefan

[gentoo-user] Re: went from x86 to ~x86: no more X11

[walt]

On 12/08/2009 11:26 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
>
> Greets, gentoo-users,
>
> I wanted to go to full ~x86 on my thinkpad these days, so I started with
> an "emerge -avu system" and after a successful reboot I did "emerge
> -avuDN world".
>
> X11 didn't come up anymore ... I even tried a "emerge -e world", just to
> "get it right" but still no luck.
>
> See my Xorg.0.log: http://dpaste.com/130873/

Looks to me like the X server *is* running, unless you left out the error
message at the end of the log.  Why do you say X didn't come up?  How are
you starting the x session?  You might try the vesa driver just to see if
there is a difference.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: went from x86 to ~x86: no more X11

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 09.12.2009 01:24, schrieb walt:

> Looks to me like the X server *is* running, unless you left out the error
> message at the end of the log.  

No, nothing left out.

> Why do you say X didn't come up?  

Because it says so. I get that dialog "X-Server could not be started"
(similar, I get the msg in german language here). It let's me see
Xorg.0.log then ...

> How are you starting the x session?  

/etc/init.d/xdm ... with DISPLAYMANAGER="gdm" in /etc/conf.d/xdm

gdm was built after xorg-server, I read somewhere that this might be an
issue.

But you are right, it might be more of a gnome-issue:

I tested DISPLAYMANAGER="xdm" now, X is coming up and lets me log in ...
but I only get some ugly and very simple desktop (xsm ...). This only as
a test ...

So it seems more gdm/gnome-related to me, right?

> You might try the vesa driver just to see if
> there is a difference.

hmm, yep, will try that.

Thanks, Stefan

[gentoo-user] Re: went from x86 to ~x86: no more X11

[walt]

On 12/08/2009 11:28 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:

> I tested DISPLAYMANAGER="xdm" now, X is coming up and lets me log in ...
> but I only get some ugly and very simple desktop (xsm ...). This only as
> a test ...
>
> So it seems more gdm/gnome-related to me, right?

That would be my guess.  I don't use gdm so I don't know how to fix it.
I use startx with "exec /etc/X11/Sessions/gnome" in my ~/.xinitrc. You
could try that to see if gnome starts correctly.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: went from x86 to ~x86: no more X11

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 09.12.2009 16:31, schrieb walt:

>> So it seems more gdm/gnome-related to me, right?
> 
> That would be my guess.  I don't use gdm so I don't know how to fix it.
> I use startx with "exec /etc/X11/Sessions/gnome" in my ~/.xinitrc. You
> could try that to see if gnome starts correctly.

Yep, that works!

So I could see how to always start X via startx or research where gdm
fails. Thanks for helping me this step further ...

S

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: went from x86 to ~x86: no more X11

[Joshua Murphy]

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger <lists@xunil.at> wrote:
> Am 09.12.2009 16:31, schrieb walt:
>
>>> So it seems more gdm/gnome-related to me, right?
>>
>> That would be my guess.  I don't use gdm so I don't know how to fix it.
>> I use startx with "exec /etc/X11/Sessions/gnome" in my ~/.xinitrc. You
>> could try that to see if gnome starts correctly.
>
> Yep, that works!
>
> So I could see how to always start X via startx or research where gdm
> fails. Thanks for helping me this step further ...
>
> S

Well, on my netbook, where I have to give a passphrase to access the
encrypted root anyhow (and am, therefore, not terribly interested in
typing yet more passwords moments later), I have this...

in /etc/inittab:
...
c6:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty6 linux
c7:345:respawn:/usr/sbin/auto_start_x.sh
...

and /usr/sbin/auto_start_x.sh:
#!/bin/bash
ASXFILE="/var/run/asx.pid"
if [ ! -r /etc/nologin ] ; then
  if [ -f $ASXFILE ] ; then
    XPID=`head -1 $ASXFILE`
    if NAME=`ps -p $XPID -o command=` ; then
      OLDNAME=`tail -1 $ASXFILE`
      if [ "$NAME" == "$OLDNAME" ] ; then
        sleep 5
        exit 1
      else
        rm -f $ASXFILE &>/dev/null
      fi
    else
      rm -f $ASXFILE &>/dev/null
    fi
  fi

  /bin/su myuser -l -c "startx >/dev/null 2>&1" &
  XPID=$!
  NAME=`ps -p $XPID -o command=`
  echo $XPID > $ASXFILE
  echo $NAME >> $ASXFILE
  wait $XPID
  exit $?
fi
# ** End auto_start_x.sh


Respawns on close/crash... doesn't allow attempts to start more than
once (hence the 'lockfile' type hack in the script), doesn't break on
a stale lockfile, and does whatever the user ('myuser' should be
replaced with a real username) wishes in terms of WM/desktop by way of
the user's ~/.xinitrc ... and all without ever asking me for a user
password.

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Joshua M. Murphy

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: went from x86 to ~x86: no more X11

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 10.12.2009 05:41, schrieb Joshua Murphy:

> # auto_start_x.sh

Thanks for that! I will maybe set that up but shouldn't gdm work as
well? I mean it doesn't crash for *all* ~x86-users, correct?

;-) Stefan

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: went from x86 to ~x86: no more X11

[Joshua Murphy]

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:32 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger <lists@xunil.at> wrote:
> Am 10.12.2009 05:41, schrieb Joshua Murphy:
>
>> # auto_start_x.sh
>
> Thanks for that! I will maybe set that up but shouldn't gdm work as
> well? I mean it doesn't crash for *all* ~x86-users, correct?
>
> ;-) Stefan

I'd expect it to be a lot noisier around here if it did ... but beyond
that, I dunno... I don't use it!

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Joshua M. Murphy

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: went from x86 to ~x86: no more X11

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 10.12.2009 05:41, schrieb Joshua Murphy:

> Respawns on close/crash... doesn't allow attempts to start more than
> once (hence the 'lockfile' type hack in the script), doesn't break on
> a stale lockfile, and does whatever the user ('myuser' should be
> replaced with a real username) wishes in terms of WM/desktop by way of
> the user's ~/.xinitrc ... and all without ever asking me for a user
> password.

I am now trying to use your solution, I just have to find a way to make
it work with my pam_mount-based setup. Working on it ;-)

thanks, S

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: went from x86 to ~x86: no more X11

[Joshua Murphy]

On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger <lists@xunil.at> wrote:
> Am 10.12.2009 05:41, schrieb Joshua Murphy:
>
>> Respawns on close/crash... doesn't allow attempts to start more than
>> once (hence the 'lockfile' type hack in the script), doesn't break on
>> a stale lockfile, and does whatever the user ('myuser' should be
>> replaced with a real username) wishes in terms of WM/desktop by way of
>> the user's ~/.xinitrc ... and all without ever asking me for a user
>> password.
>
> I am now trying to use your solution, I just have to find a way to make
> it work with my pam_mount-based setup. Working on it ;-)
>
> thanks, S

Hmm... that'd certainly complicate it... since mine bypasses any auth
of the user ;)

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Joshua M. Murphy

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: went from x86 to ~x86: no more X11

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 11.12.2009 19:15, schrieb Joshua Murphy:

>> I am now trying to use your solution, I just have to find a way to make
>> it work with my pam_mount-based setup. Working on it ;-)
> 
> Hmm... that'd certainly complicate it... since mine bypasses any auth
> of the user ;)

Played around with it, then decided to turn it off again.
Shut down the system yesterday.

Now I booted up again, expecting the same problems to persist and you
know what? gdm showed up OK for the first time since I went to ~x86.
Logged in and everything works OK as it did back then with stable x86.

I don't *know* what the problem was (or is?) but it works for now. The
only tiny issue is that the battery-applet of gnome doesn't use the
correct icon ... but that doesn't matter much to me now.

Thanks for your suggestions anyway,
Stefan

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: went from x86 to ~x86: no more X11

[Joshua Murphy]

On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger <lists@xunil.at> wrote:
> Am 11.12.2009 19:15, schrieb Joshua Murphy:
>
>>> I am now trying to use your solution, I just have to find a way to make
>>> it work with my pam_mount-based setup. Working on it ;-)
>>
>> Hmm... that'd certainly complicate it... since mine bypasses any auth
>> of the user ;)
>
> Played around with it, then decided to turn it off again.
> Shut down the system yesterday.
>
> Now I booted up again, expecting the same problems to persist and you
> know what? gdm showed up OK for the first time since I went to ~x86.
> Logged in and everything works OK as it did back then with stable x86.
>
> I don't *know* what the problem was (or is?) but it works for now. The
> only tiny issue is that the battery-applet of gnome doesn't use the
> correct icon ... but that doesn't matter much to me now.
>
> Thanks for your suggestions anyway,
> Stefan

Anytime, and glad to hear that you're back up and working happily again! :)

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Joshua M. Murphy

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: went from x86 to ~x86: no more X11

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 12.12.2009 21:56, schrieb Joshua Murphy:

> Anytime, and glad to hear that you're back up and working happily again! :)

old phenomenon: post "solved" and it crashes again ...

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: went from x86 to ~x86: no more X11

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 12.12.2009 22:18, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
> Am 12.12.2009 21:56, schrieb Joshua Murphy:
> 
>> Anytime, and glad to hear that you're back up and working happily again! :)
> 
> old phenomenon: post "solved" and it crashes again ...

Just for reference: emerged slim instead of gdm now ... works.