[gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?

[gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?

[Walter Dnes]

  I'd like to install Gentoo on an older Lenovo laptop with 3 gigs ram
and 75 gigs disk.  Is there a "robo-installer script" for this? I want
1 partition (/dev/sda via lilo ) as ext3 and openrc.  I'll settle for a
textconsole-only install if necessay, and tweak the kernel and build X
as necessary.

-- 
Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?

[Michele Alzetta]

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On an old laptop I tried all the various quick graphical options of
installing a Gentoo derivative distro, with the idea that it would then be
simple to gentooize it.
I tried various distros derived from Gentoo, even quite obscure ones. This
didn't work so well.

I ended up doing a manual install following the Gentoo handbook.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?

[Sid Spry]

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
>   I'd like to install Gentoo on an older Lenovo laptop with 3 gigs ram
> and 75 gigs disk.  Is there a "robo-installer script" for this? I want
> 1 partition (/dev/sda via lilo ) as ext3 and openrc.  I'll settle for a
> textconsole-only install if necessay, and tweak the kernel and build X
> as necessary.
> 
> -- 
> Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
> I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
> 

There's a couple projects but I've not heard of them in a long time, so
they are likely defunct. I was trying to automate it myself but the
installation is so simple I keep putting it off.

Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?

[james]

On 7/6/20 6:02 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
>    I'd like to install Gentoo on an older Lenovo laptop with 3 gigs ram
> and 75 gigs disk.  Is there a "robo-installer script" for this? I want
> 1 partition (/dev/sda via lilo ) as ext3 and openrc.  I'll settle for a
> textconsole-only install if necessay, and tweak the kernel and build X
> as necessary.


Good news: I have dozens of potential solutions to what you seek. I will 
post a few, that best (potentially) satisfy your solution-request. 
Please let me know what your try and what is wrong with what I suggest. 
(it helps me).


Bad news: I am currently very disorganized.


1. (Best; imho)

https://wiki.cloveros.ga/CloverOS_GNU/Linux

2. (BEST; a tie)

http://exgent.exton.net/

Both are new, gentoo centric and should work on a wide variety of newer 
and older hardware.


Do provide more detail (processor, Mobo, major sytems) on your current 
target(s). With your deeper feedback, I have pointers to many other 
resources for (semi) automated gentoo installs.


hth,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?

[james]

On 7/6/20 6:10 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
>    I'd like to install Gentoo on an older Lenovo laptop with 3 gigs ram
> and 75 gigs disk.  Is there a "robo-installer script" for this? I want
> 1 partition (/dev/sda via lilo ) as ext3 and openrc.  I'll settle for a
> textconsole-only install if necessay, and tweak the kernel and build X
> as necessary.
> 


OH,  is it 32 bit or 64 bit ?

if exclusively 32 bit, look at this page:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:AMD64/32-bit_Chroot_Guide#Installation_of_a_32-bit_chroot


James

Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?

[james]

On 7/6/20 6:10 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
>    I'd like to install Gentoo on an older Lenovo laptop with 3 gigs ram
> and 75 gigs disk.  Is there a "robo-installer script" for this? I want
> 1 partition (/dev/sda via lilo ) as ext3 and openrc.  I'll settle for a
> textconsole-only install if necessay, and tweak the kernel and build X
> as necessary.


More links:


https://gentoostudio.org/

http://redcorelinux.org/

and yes, PENTOO:
pen testing and so much more;
probably the coolest gentoo distro of them all!

https://www.pentoo.ch/isos/


Need more?

Please provide details:
32/64 bit
arm/amd/intel processor?

a particular (vintage) year?

a list of what you want/need for the

/var/lib/portage/world file
(as I keep/archive) many versions of many packages I use.


?????
James

Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?

[james]

On 7/7/20 3:33 PM, james wrote:
> On 7/6/20 6:10 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
>> �� I'd like to install Gentoo on an older Lenovo laptop with 3 gigs ram
>> and 75 gigs disk.� Is there a "robo-installer script" for this? I want
>> 1 partition (/dev/sda via lilo ) as ext3 and openrc.� I'll settle for a
>> textconsole-only install if necessay, and tweak the kernel and build X
>> as necessary.
> 
> 
> More links:
> 
> 
> https://gentoostudio.org/
> 
> http://redcorelinux.org/
> 
> and yes, PENTOO:
> pen testing and so much more;
> probably the coolest gentoo distro of them all!
> 
> https://www.pentoo.ch/isos/
> 
> 
> Need more?
> 
> Please provide details:
> 32/64 bit
> arm/amd/intel processor?
> 
> a particular (vintage) year?
> 
> a list of what you want/need for the
> 
> /var/lib/portage/world file
> (as I keep/archive) many versions of many packages I use.
> 
> 
> ?????
> James
> 
> 


Sorry for my email problems. I finally found out why things bounce/fail 
so often. From:

Verizon Email Retirement

https://www.verizon.com/support/residential/email

And Frontier, current bandwidth supplier, as a spin-off from Verizon, is 
getting out of the email server services too. I'm not going down the 
Yahoo mail calamity pathway, so what choices do I have.

So who do folks recommend for mail server services?

Time to set up my own mail server (what I prefer to do).

/usr/portage/mail-mta	lists:

sendmail (15 years since I rode/mastered that beast, but  well known.
postfix (probable the best choice?

Default simple/secure setups for either of these?

I can get static IPs and have machines for a pair of primary dns (rasp 
pe 4?) servers and a mail server.
Rasp pi 4 cluster of 2, 3, 4 ?

Any other (temp) solutions for the mail server?

I have been using thunderbird, but it seems like a good time to 
implement something newer/more-secure for the
easiest install?

Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?

[james]

On 7/7/20 6:18 PM, james wrote:

OK, sorry for hijacking my own (walter's) post, but this
Verizon dying mail server, causes lots of bloated messages and 
misdirection. I just now figured out that's the bouncing messages 
source/problem. If those (VERIZON) idiots  would just send out  a 
message to move the users to another mail service/system, this could 
have been avoided a long time ago. Oh well....



SO, I found and old guide of how to set up postfix
on Rasp pi systems. It's vintage 2014 but it a place to start. What 
breaks or does not work, I'll have to fix,
or follow the suggestions posted to this list.



https://samhobbs.co.uk/2013/12/raspberry-pi-email-server-part-1-postfix


So tonight I'll try to order one or 2.

Anyone interested, or already has  R. Pi:

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_3_64_bit_Install#History


Any newer guide links are most welcome, especially Rpi-4. Surely there 
are more folks on this list than I that want a sub- $100 mail server 
that is low power, and thus can be left up
7x24, with a single IP address and DNS services or (2) more R.Pi. 
Running DNS primary services.


(links to guides for DNS primaries on gentoo-R.pi. are most welcome.

How doe this guide look for dns services on a RPi?

https://www.ionos.com/digitalguide/server/configuration:

/how-to-make-your-raspberry-pi-into-a-dns-server/


and this general reference
https://github.com/sakaki-/gentoo-on-rpi-64bit

> On 7/7/20 3:33 PM, james wrote:

> Sorry for my email problems. I finally found out why things bounce/fail 
> so often. From:
> 
> Verizon Email Retirement
> 
> https://www.verizon.com/support/residential/email
> 
> And Frontier, current bandwidth supplier, as a spin-off from Verizon, is 
> getting out of the email server services too. I'm not going down the 
> Yahoo mail calamity pathway, so what choices do I have.
> 
> So who do folks recommend for mail server services?
> 
> Time to set up my own mail server (what I prefer to do).
> 
> /usr/portage/mail-mta��� lists:
> 
> sendmail (15 years since I rode/mastered that beast, but� well known.
> postfix (probable the best choice?
> 
> Default simple/secure setups for either of these?
> 
> I can get static IPs and have machines for a pair of primary dns (rasp 
> pe 4?) servers and a mail server.
> Rasp pi 4 cluster of 2, 3, 4 ?
> 
> Any other (temp) solutions for the mail server?
> 
> I have been using thunderbird, but it seems like a good time to 
> implement something newer/more-secure for the
> easiest install?
> 

Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?

[Walter Dnes]

On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 01:47:31PM -0400, james wrote
> 
> Good news: I have dozens of potential solutions to what you seek. I will 
> post a few, that best (potentially) satisfy your solution-request. 
> Please let me know what your try and what is wrong with what I suggest. 
> (it helps me).
> 
> 
> Bad news: I am currently very disorganized.

  Thay all seem to come with various software pre-installed that I don't
need/want.  I decided to try a quickie manual install, but ran into
problems, which are a separate thread.  Just one semi-related question
here.  Do I still need both LINGUAS and L10N in make.conf?  On my
desktop I currently have...

LINGUAS="en en_US"
L10N="en en-US"

-- 
Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?

[Matt Connell (Gmail)]

On Tue, 2020-07-07 at 18:18 -0400, james wrote:
> So who do folks recommend for mail server services?

If you want to pay someone to host mail for you, I can vouch for
Mailfence.

> Time to set up my own mail server (what I prefer to do).

Or if you want to go this route, here's the Gentoo-centric answer:

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Simple_mail_server_with_webmail

Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?

[james]

On 7/7/20 9:20 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 01:47:31PM -0400, james wrote
>>
>> Good news: I have dozens of potential solutions to what you seek. I will
>> post a few, that best (potentially) satisfy your solution-request.
>> Please let me know what your try and what is wrong with what I suggest.
>> (it helps me).
>>
>>
>> Bad news: I am currently very disorganized.
> 
>    Thay all seem to come with various software pre-installed that I don't
> need/want.  I decided to try a quickie manual install, but ran into
> problems, which are a separate thread.  Just one semi-related question
> here.  Do I still need both LINGUAS and L10N in make.conf?  On my
> desktop I currently have...
> 
> LINGUAS="en en_US"
> L10N="en en-US"
> 

Walter,

I have both of those in my make.confs on all gentoo systems. I'm not 
saying that's the best, but yes I have
similar:


LINGUAS="en_US"
L10N="en-us"


hth,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?

[james]

On 7/7/20 9:20 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 01:47:31PM -0400, james wrote
>>
>> Good news: I have dozens of potential solutions to what you seek. I will
>> post a few, that best (potentially) satisfy your solution-request.
>> Please let me know what your try and what is wrong with what I suggest.
>> (it helps me).
>>
>>
>> Bad news: I am currently very disorganized.
> 
>    Thay all seem to come with various software pre-installed that I don't
> need/want.  I decided to try a quickie manual install, but ran into
> problems, which are a separate thread.  Just one semi-related question
> here.  Do I still need both LINGUAS and L10N in make.conf?  On my
> desktop I currently have...

Well, cant you just use one of the first 2 and then just edit/add to 
your world file?


With modest resources, it is often best to use an existing binary, and 
build out the next/older version with that existing binary as a ref. 
Older systems with modest resources, can easily be 'burned'
if you have them compile too much or too long. I often open them up, and 
put a 12" fan blowing hard to keep the resources cool, especially for 
large compiles... ymmv.

Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?

[james]

On 7/7/20 10:54 PM, Matt Connell (Gmail) wrote:
> On Tue, 2020-07-07 at 18:18 -0400, james wrote:
>> So who do folks recommend for mail server services?
> 
> If you want to pay someone to host mail for you, I can vouch for
> Mailfence.

I have a proton mail account, the free one, very basic. Inquiring about 
upgrading to a paid (backup account). BUT that $2.50/mo. does look 
attractive at mailfence,


https://protonmail.com/pricing


>> Time to set up my own mail server (what I prefer to do).
> 
> Or if you want to go this route, here's the Gentoo-centric answer:
> 
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Simple_mail_server_with_webmail

Yes that guide looks cool. I can always continue to add features and 
codes as I get my own mail server setup, tune and inclusive of what I 
want. (postfix)!

Will this guide allow thunderbird and other complex apps
to send/receive mail from the postfix server, (thunderbird) ?


I've decided to get 5 statics and set up a postfix mail and (2) dns 
servers and a webserver, just for kicks. I've been toying around. It'll 
only cost me @25/mo for (5) static IPs. And finally, I can do what I 
want, again.....


Eventually, when the 16G Rasp-pi are set up, I'll want to move the DNS, 
postfix (et al) server and web server to all onto the Rpi4-16Gig ram boards.

Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?

[Matt Connell (Gmail)]

On Tue, 2020-07-07 at 23:50 -0400, james wrote:
> I have a proton mail account, the free one, very basic. 

Proton mail doesn't allow standard IMAP/SMTP, which is relevant given
the below.  If you want to use a mail client, protonmail is probably a
non-starter for you

> Will this guide allow thunderbird and other complex apps to
> send/receive mail from the postfix server, (thunderbird) ?

Yes, the guide uses dovecot which is a modern IMAP server.  Postfix is
used exclusively for SMTP as an MTA, for sending.

Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?

[Michael]

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On Wednesday, 8 July 2020 03:54:43 BST james wrote:
> On 7/7/20 9:20 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 01:47:31PM -0400, james wrote
> > 
> >> Good news: I have dozens of potential solutions to what you seek. I will
> >> post a few, that best (potentially) satisfy your solution-request.
> >> Please let me know what your try and what is wrong with what I suggest.
> >> (it helps me).
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Bad news: I am currently very disorganized.
> >> 
> >    Thay all seem to come with various software pre-installed that I don't
> > 
> > need/want.  I decided to try a quickie manual install, but ran into
> > problems, which are a separate thread.  Just one semi-related question
> > here.  Do I still need both LINGUAS and L10N in make.conf?  On my
> > desktop I currently have...
> > 
> > LINGUAS="en en_US"
> > L10N="en en-US"
> 
> Walter,
> 
> I have both of those in my make.confs on all gentoo systems. I'm not
> saying that's the best, but yes I have
> similar:
> 
> 
> LINGUAS="en_US"
> L10N="en-us"
> 
> 
> hth,
> James

Unless you have old packages installed but not updated for a while now and 
they which use LINGUAS, L10N is all you should need:

https://gentoo.org/support/news-items/2016-06-23-l10n-use_expand.html

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Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?

[james]

On 7/8/20 1:09 AM, Matt Connell (Gmail) wrote:
> On Tue, 2020-07-07 at 23:50 -0400, james wrote:
>> I have a proton mail account, the free one, very basic.
> 
> Proton mail doesn't allow standard IMAP/SMTP, which is relevant given
> the below.  If you want to use a mail client, protonmail is probably a
> non-starter for you
> 
>> Will this guide allow thunderbird and other complex apps to
>> send/receive mail from the postfix server, (thunderbird) ?
> 
> Yes, the guide uses dovecot which is a modern IMAP server.  Postfix is
> used exclusively for SMTP as an MTA, for sending.

OK, you have convinced me. I'm got to spin up some extra gentoo systems 
(rasp.Pi.4) and get the static IPs from the isp.  I'll drop a line, when 
ready.

DO feel encourages to just keep replying to this thread, with links, 
suggested config options and anything else. I'm going for the entire 
enchilada, here::
  (2) primary dns servers, one mail server (system) and
one basic simple web server.