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[65.0.95.121]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w129sm5010726yww.30.2016.12.23.22.28.14 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 23 Dec 2016 22:28:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <20161015182743.GB4541@solfire> <20161216101951.GA29887@g0n.xdwgrp> <20161216131315.GA4052@g0n.xdwgrp> <20161216165118.GA26704@g0n.xdwgrp> <20161217055520.GA13608@waltdnes.org> <87pokn23ai.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <4c7138ac-cbd2-c60f-2a86-bb7e41e9d6fb@gmail.com> <87r353zmfs.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <97c3b37f-be37-391c-2e16-b232c793156d@gmail.com> <87oa07xnzt.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <64e6b9bf-ec3e-d11c-e832-70b58e67a9ce@gmail.com> <87tw9yutex.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <9ffca28e-194a-667c-bc26-f8d129fa0d9a@gmail.com> <87wpetrlea.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <87bmw2ozfo.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> From: Dale Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 00:28:14 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87bmw2ozfo.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: d0dc9738-73ea-4100-9420-34145dcb135a X-Archives-Hash: cbdb98e605708fd4e463b348d9bdd954 lee wrote: > Dale writes: > >> lee wrote: >>> Dale writes: >>> >>> I didn't go look at boards I had around here. I went to a major >>> computer supplier, newegg, and looked at what they had. Go back and >>> read again what I did and maybe read it more carefully. >>> >>> Might I also add, it's more than just me that has pointed out that you >>> are not correct on this. It's a few others as well. You ever stop to >>> think that what you observe is not the normal and certainly not the >>> default? If what you claim was even remotely accurate, newegg would >>> have had a lot larger number of boards with two ports on it. Thing is, >>> they didn't. Kai pointed out that the same is true in Europe. >>> Why would I assume that what someone else observes is a default? >>> Besides, I don't see what problem you're having with this. >>> >>> >> Then why would what you observe also be claimed to be the default? As >> I also pointed out, it's not just what I observe, it's what I and others >> have observed as well. So far, you are the only person claiming that >> two ports on a home user board is the default. I have not seen anyone >> else post that you are correct. Others have posted that you are not >> correct tho. >> >> The problem is, you claim that having two ports is the default. It is >> not the default. I've said it, even researched it and explained how I >> researched it, others have also posted the same point. Just because you >> have boards with two ports does not mean it is a default. Given the >> research I did, it isn't even close. Boards with two ports for a home >> user is not only not the default, it's somewhat rare. Out of the top 72 >> boards I checked, only a couple or so had two ports. That is far from >> being the default. That is quite rare. Even if it was 5 boards, that >> would be under 10%. That is hardly something to call a default. If it >> were say 50%, then one could at least argue that the default is moving >> to having two ports. It's just not the case. >> >> The sooner you figure that out the better for you. > And eating rice is the default because so many people do it ... > > . > You can claim that having two ports is the default but that isn't supported by a single fact. As I said, the only person who thinks it is a default is you. The default would be set by the manufacturers. Since what is manufactured has to be sold, one good way to find out what the default is, go look at what is being sold. When you see something that is common, like say four USB ports, then that is the default. Another example, if most all boards have five PCI-e slots, then that is the default. If you want six slots, seven slots or more, then you are likely going to pay extra and have fewer buying options because that is not the default. Using your logic, no one eats rice since so much of it is grown and sold. If rice was not grown and not sold, then your logic would work. So, your post doesn't even make sense. The manufacturers of boards by a large margin puts one ethernet port on a home use board and even most office computers only need one port. If one goes and looks at what is being manufactured and sold, they would be able to see that. Of course, some people can't see it even when several people post the facts. It seems some will never get the idea. Dale :-) :-)