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Is this normal? It looks like a connect problem. 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Notwithstanding the warnings and errors you'd want the highest >>>> transfer speed you can get on a new drive. >>> I think the speed issue might be that external enclosure I used. I've >>> got two of those I think. The other external enclosures work at full >>> speed tho. >> Try one of your SATA 3 enclosures. >> >> Try a different SATA/eSATA cable depending on connecting the drive internally/ >> externally. > I was only using the enclosure to test the drive while connected to my > main rig.  I'm not planning to leave it in there once the testing is > done.  I'm not one to buy a drive and put data on it right away.  I test > first then once it is proven to be good, then I put data on it.  When I > saw the slow data speed connection, I suspected the enclosure, never > used it to test a drive before, so I moved the drive to my NAS box rig > where I could connect it directly and remove any doubt about something > in the middle causing problems.  When I put it on the NAS box, I used > the same power cable and data cable that I use to update my backups and > it works without error.  I don't see how it can be the data cable, power > or mobo in this case.  All those work fine when doing backups.  It > powers 4 hard drives in that setup.  Soon to be 5 drives.  > >>> The concern I have mostly is the slow part when hooked to the NAS mobo >>> directly. I have a good size power supply for that old thing. It >>> likely runs at about a 20% load most of the time. The most excitement >>> it sees is when I do OS updates and backup updates at the same time. >>> LOL I included that first error just in case it may be relevant to the >>> one from the NAS box about being slow. >> I think the messages you received show the drive is slow to initialize, which >> could be an issue with low power, or poor cable connection. >> >> >>> When I did some searches for that error, I never found a real answer to >>> the question. Is that normal for some drives or a sign of future >>> failure? It's a 20TB Seagate EXOS Enterprise drive. Maybe it has a >>> extra platter which takes longer to spin up or something and it is >>> normal. Then again, maybe it is a weak motor that is about to fail. >>> Some stuff I found claimed it was a kernel error. I've never seen that >>> on either of my systems and I been using those same kernels for a long >>> time. As most know, I have quite a few large drives here. o_O >>> >>> As far as I know, all my rigs are SATA 3 ready. >> If you connect a SATA 3 capable drive to a SATA 3 controller you should get >> SATA 3 speeds. In the messages you shared I SATA 1 and SATA 2 speeds only. >> If you've tried different cables and the SATA ports are definitely SATA 3, >> then the problem must be related to the drive. >> >> You could try disconnecting all other spinning drives from the MoBo, connect >> ST20000NM007D and boot with the latest adminCD to see what messages you get. > > The only other drive connected is a SSD for the OS.  As mentioned above, > this is what I use to connect a 4 drive setup for my backups.  I even > use the same power connector.  I also used one of the same data cables.  > I might add, I just tested a 16TB drive and it worked without error of > any kind.  It's in the safe while I figure out which drive, 16TB or > 20TB, is going to be added to my backup drives and which will be added > to my main rig.  > > So far, this is the first drive I've ever seen this 'slow to respond' > message with before.  Since I've never seen it before, curious as to > what it means exactly and is it normal?  Searching didn't help.  Some > claim kernel, others claim something else.  > > As soon as this test completes, another few hours to go yet, I'm going > to power cycle the drive again to see what it does.  I may cycle it a > few times to see if it is a consistent problem as well.  > > Dale > > :-)  :-)  > As a update, the long SMART test finished without error.  I cycled the drive off for a few minutes, to be sure the kernel has finished its house cleaning.  When I powered it back up, this was in messages.  May  6 18:07:36 nas kernel: ata4: link is slow to respond, please be patient (ready=0) May  6 18:07:41 nas kernel: ata4: found unknown device (class 0) May  6 18:07:41 nas last message buffered 1 times May  6 18:07:41 nas kernel: ata4: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300) May  6 18:07:41 nas kernel: ata4: link online but 1 devices misclassified, retrying May  6 18:07:46 nas kernel: ata4: link is slow to respond, please be patient (ready=0) May  6 18:07:51 nas kernel: ata4: found unknown device (class 0) May  6 18:07:51 nas last message buffered 1 times May  6 18:07:51 nas kernel: ata4: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300) May  6 18:07:51 nas kernel: ata4: link online but 1 devices misclassified, retrying May  6 18:07:57 nas kernel: ata4: link is slow to respond, please be patient (ready=0) May  6 18:07:59 nas kernel: ata4: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300) May  6 18:07:59 nas kernel: ata4.00: ATA-11: ST20000NM007D-3DJ103, SN05, max UDMA/133 May  6 18:07:59 nas kernel: ata4.00: 39063650304 sectors, multi 16: LBA48 NCQ (depth 32), AA May  6 18:07:59 nas kernel: ata4.00: Features: NCQ-sndrcv May  6 18:07:59 nas kernel: ata4.00: configured for UDMA/133 May  6 18:07:59 nas kernel: scsi 3:0:0:0: Direct-Access     ATA      ST20000NM007D-3D SN05 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 May  6 18:07:59 nas kernel: sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0 May  6 18:07:59 nas kernel: sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] 39063650304 512-byte logical blocks: (20.0 TB/18.2 TiB) May  6 18:07:59 nas kernel: sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] 4096-byte physical blocks May  6 18:07:59 nas kernel: sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off May  6 18:07:59 nas kernel: sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA May  6 18:07:59 nas kernel: sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Preferred minimum I/O size 4096 bytes May  6 18:07:59 nas kernel: sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk I ran a hdparm test.  I wanted to see as accurately as I could what the speed was.  I got this.  root@nas ~ # hdparm -tT /dev/sdb /dev/sdb:  Timing cached reads:   7106 MB in  2.00 seconds = 3554.48 MB/sec  Timing buffered disk reads: 802 MB in  3.00 seconds = 267.03 MB/sec root@nas ~ # >From what I've seen of other drives, that appears to be SATA 3 or the faster speed.  So, it is slow to respond but connects and works fine.  My question still remains tho.  Do I need to return this drive because this is a sign of upcoming failure or is it normal and just carry on with the drive?  Dale :-)  :-)