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From: William Kenworthy <billk@iinet.net.au>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: Living in NGL: was: [gentoo-user] NAS and replacing with larger drives
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2022 09:46:28 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bb0ed4cb-7fb9-52f2-d222-273a642640f1@iinet.net.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGfcS_m4u+aX-WbdGUOH860JC7WjU2wzPT=XZ8em5oSwOdWa+Q@mail.gmail.com>


On 19/12/22 21:30, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM Wols Lists <antlists@youngman.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 19/12/2022 12:00, Rich Freeman wrote:
>>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 12:11 AM Dale<rdalek1967@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>> If I like these Raspberry things, may make a media box out of one.  I'd
>>>> like to have a remote tho.  😉
>>> So, I've done that.  Honestly, these days a Roku is probably the
>>> better option, or something like a Google Chromecast or the 47 other
>>> variations on this them.
>> Where do you put that 2TB drive on your Roku or Chromecast?
>>
>> I'm thinking of building a media server, not to drive the TV, but to
>> record and store. I thought that was what a media server was!
> So, he said "media box," which I assumed meant the client that
> attaches to the TV.  There are some canned solutions for media servers
> - I think the NVidia Shield can run Plex server for example.  However,
> in general server-side I'd go amd64.
>
> My current solution is:
> 1. Moosefs for storage: amd64 container for the master, and ARM SBCs
> for the chunkservers which host all the USB3 hard drives.  With a
> modest number of them performance is very good, though certainly not
> as good as Ceph or local storage.  (I do have moosefs in my overlay -
> might try to get that into the main repo when I get a chance.)
> 2. Plex server in a container on amd64 (looking to migrate this to k8s
> over the holiday).
> 3. Rokus or TV apps for the clients.

Very similar to what I have (intel/arm for moosefs) - I am effectively 
using moosefs as a distributed NAS (fuse mount onto whatever system(s) I 
am using) with built in data protection and redundancy.  LVM and similar 
pooling is discouraged as it defeats some of the built in data 
protection. To increase storage, just add a disk, format, add to the 
config and reload - it automatically redistributes the data.  Similarly, 
you can add/remove storage or whole storage systems while live with no 
risk to your data (within limits!!!) With LVM, if a drive fails, you are 
SOL and offline until you can recover and restore the data.  On a recent 
holiday, an SD card failed and a moosefs arm SBC in AU went offline - 
discovered the next morning when doing status checks from a ship in the 
Mediterranean(!) - it had already backfilled and protection was back at 
normal, moosefs was just missing 2Tb of storage space.  5 weeks later 
when I got home, I replaced the SD card, rebooted and readded the system 
all with no risk to the data.

Dale, I was where you are about 10 or so years ago and was forced to 
move on when that design hit its limits - forget LVM etc, these days 
there are lots of better ways to do what you want with less risk to your 
data.  Another factor is power - moosefs is currently 1 intel and 7 arm 
SBC's that use 90-110w (most of which is due to using ancient WD and 
Seagate hard drives) - where as my intel desktop is 90w when idle, or 
over 300 w when compiling etc. so its off unless its being used. Power 
is important to me as its expensive!!

BillK




  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-12-20  1:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-08 12:37 [gentoo-user] NAS and replacing with larger drives Dale
2022-12-08 13:31 ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-08 13:58   ` Dale
2022-12-08 17:16     ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-08 23:35     ` Daniel Frey
2022-12-09  0:34       ` Dale
2022-12-10  0:10     ` Paul Colquhoun
2022-12-08 18:36   ` Wols Lists
2022-12-08 20:05     ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-08 20:44     ` Frank Steinmetzger
2022-12-09 13:13       ` Michael
2022-12-09 13:38         ` Frank Steinmetzger
2022-12-09 14:27           ` [OT] " Peter Humphrey
2022-12-09 14:38             ` Frank Steinmetzger
2022-12-10  0:41               ` Peter Humphrey
2022-12-09 15:28           ` Dale
2022-12-10  9:20           ` Wols Lists
2022-12-10 16:19             ` Frank Steinmetzger
2022-12-10 16:30               ` Wols Lists
2022-12-10 17:27                 ` Michael
2022-12-10 18:17                   ` David Rosenbaum
2022-12-11  4:45               ` David Rosenbaum
2022-12-09 14:15         ` Rich Freeman
2022-12-08 23:09     ` Dale
2022-12-08 13:52 ` Rich Freeman
2022-12-08 23:30   ` Dale
2022-12-08 23:38     ` Rich Freeman
2022-12-09  0:03       ` Dale
2022-12-09  0:17         ` Peter Humphrey
2022-12-09  0:45           ` Dale
2022-12-09  8:27             ` Wol
2022-12-09 10:34               ` Peter Humphrey
2022-12-11 11:34                 ` [OT] " Peter Humphrey
2022-12-13 17:36                   ` Laurence Perkins
2022-12-09  8:24         ` Wol
2022-12-09  0:06     ` Frank Steinmetzger
2022-12-09  1:15       ` Dale
2022-12-09  7:56         ` Wol
2022-12-09  9:15           ` Dale
2022-12-09  6:22     ` William Kenworthy
2022-12-08 13:59 ` Frank Steinmetzger
2022-12-08 14:11   ` Rich Freeman
2022-12-08 16:56     ` Laurence Perkins
2022-12-08 23:26       ` Rich Freeman
2022-12-09 14:11 ` Dale
2022-12-10 20:41 ` Dale
2022-12-10 21:28   ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-10 23:54     ` Dale
2022-12-11  3:31       ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-11  4:35         ` Dale
2022-12-11 14:07           ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-11 15:01             ` Dale
2022-12-11 15:44               ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-11 23:43                 ` Frank Steinmetzger
2022-12-12  0:32                   ` Dale
2022-12-12  1:55                     ` Dale
2022-12-12 23:29                       ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-13  0:43                         ` Dale
2022-12-11  2:46     ` David Rosenbaum
     [not found]     ` <CAL+8heNN7CCQcTrhjuJboAnxvi7ACWVAgPuXqj3bwTPNaNQ94A@mail.gmail.com>
2022-12-11  2:49       ` David Rosenbaum
2022-12-11  4:38         ` David Rosenbaum
2022-12-16  4:08 ` Dale
2022-12-16 12:56   ` Frank Steinmetzger
2022-12-16 22:35     ` Dale
2022-12-16 19:12   ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-16 22:43     ` Dale
2022-12-16 23:49       ` Frank Steinmetzger
2022-12-17  3:50         ` Dale
2022-12-17  4:47           ` Frank Steinmetzger
2022-12-17  6:49             ` Dale
2022-12-17 13:54               ` Frank Steinmetzger
2022-12-17 15:15           ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-17 15:51             ` Dale
2022-12-17 16:09               ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-17 16:42                 ` Dale
2022-12-17 17:18                   ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-17 22:56                   ` David Rosenbaum
2022-12-17 19:10                 ` Wol
2022-12-17 20:03                   ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-17 23:41                     ` Dale
2022-12-18 14:04                       ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-18 15:12                         ` Dale
2022-12-18 15:27                           ` Michael
2022-12-18 18:38                             ` Dale
2022-12-18 18:55                               ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-18 19:20                                 ` Dale
2022-12-18 19:25                                   ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-18 22:08                                     ` Dale
2022-12-19 21:13                                       ` ralfconn
2022-12-18 18:56                               ` Frank Steinmetzger
2022-12-18 15:29                           ` Frank Steinmetzger
2022-12-18 18:59                             ` Dale
2022-12-18 19:53                               ` Wol
2022-12-18 22:11                                 ` Dale
2022-12-19 11:08                                   ` Wols Lists
2022-12-20  6:52                                     ` Dale
2022-12-26  8:01                                       ` David Rosenbaum
2022-12-26  8:00                                 ` David Rosenbaum
2022-12-18 15:29                           ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-18 15:38                             ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-18 15:48                               ` Living in NGL: was: " Jack
2022-12-18 16:17                                 ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-18 19:00                                   ` Jack
2022-12-18 19:07                                   ` Dale
2022-12-18 19:22                                     ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-18 19:30                                     ` Frank Steinmetzger
2022-12-18 20:06                                       ` Rich Freeman
2022-12-18 20:30                                         ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-18 20:34                                           ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-18 20:53                                           ` Frank Steinmetzger
2022-12-18 21:53                                       ` Dale
2022-12-18 22:08                                         ` Frank Steinmetzger
2022-12-18 22:18                                           ` Dale
2022-12-19  1:37                                         ` Rich Freeman
2022-12-19  5:11                                           ` Dale
2022-12-19 12:00                                             ` Rich Freeman
2022-12-19 12:51                                               ` Wols Lists
2022-12-19 13:30                                                 ` Rich Freeman
2022-12-19 16:43                                                   ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-20  0:00                                                     ` Rich Freeman
2022-12-20  1:46                                                   ` William Kenworthy [this message]
2022-12-18 17:11                           ` Wol
2022-12-18 18:03                           ` Mark Knecht
2022-12-18  0:20                     ` Wol
2022-12-17 20:47                 ` Frank Steinmetzger
2022-12-21  0:14   ` Frank Steinmetzger
2022-12-21  2:47     ` Dale
2022-12-21  5:53       ` Wols Lists
2022-12-21  6:19         ` Frank Steinmetzger
2022-12-21  7:01           ` William Kenworthy
2022-12-21 20:03           ` Wol
2022-12-21 20:40             ` Frank Steinmetzger
2022-12-21 21:33               ` Wol
2022-12-21  6:52         ` Dale
2022-12-21 13:50           ` Mark Knecht

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