[gentoo-user] where's good old inetd ?

[gentoo-user] where's good old inetd ?

[Enrico Weigelt]

Hi folks,

I've just emerge'd inetd, and this installed xinetd.
How can I get inetd installed ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] where's good old inetd ?

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Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> Hi folks,

hiya


> I've just emerge'd inetd, and this installed xinetd.
> How can I get inetd installed ?

compile frm source, or get an outside-portage ebuild.

google for inetd ebuild, for example.

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Re: [gentoo-user] where's good old inetd ?

[Alexander Skwar]

Enrico Weigelt wrote:

> I've just emerge'd inetd, and this installed xinetd.
> How can I get inetd installed ?

pago helped me quite a lot in finding the correct
package really fast. Just have a look at http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=inetd

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Re: [gentoo-user] where's good old inetd ?

[Enrico Weigelt]

* Alexander Skwar <listen@alexander.skwar.name> wrote:
> Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> 
> > I've just emerge'd inetd, and this installed xinetd.
> > How can I get inetd installed ?
> 
> pago helped me quite a lot in finding the correct
> package really fast. Just have a look at http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=inetd

Yeah, it found it, as "netkit-base". Very confusing name.


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Re: [gentoo-user] where's good old inetd ?

[Bruno Lustosa]

On 6/21/06, Enrico Weigelt <weigelt@metux.de> wrote:
> I've just emerge'd inetd, and this installed xinetd.
> How can I get inetd installed ?

inetd is a virtual package that is provided by xinetd now.
anyway, why use old inetd at all? xinetd is way more powerful and secure!

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Re: [gentoo-user] where's good old inetd ?

[Enrico Weigelt]

* Bruno Lustosa <bruno.lists@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

> anyway, why use old inetd at all? xinetd is way more powerful and secure!

well, I've already been using it for over 10 years, I never had
serious problems with it, and has all I need. 
So why should I now switch to xinetd ?

Wouldn't it make more sense to let "inetd" be an virtual package 
which can be configured by some useflag to get either classic inetd
or xinet in, maybe xinet as default ?


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Re: [gentoo-user] where's good old inetd ?

[Bruno Lustosa]

On 6/21/06, Enrico Weigelt <weigelt@metux.de> wrote:
> well, I've already been using it for over 10 years, I never had
> serious problems with it, and has all I need.
> So why should I now switch to xinetd ?

The answer to this 'why' can be found here:
http://www.xinetd.org/faq.html#why

> Wouldn't it make more sense to let "inetd" be an virtual package
> which can be configured by some useflag to get either classic inetd
> or xinet in, maybe xinet as default ?

inetd is way too old. I tried googling for it, and I couldn't even
find source downloads for it.
It's like wanting to use in.telnetd and telnet instead of ssh because
the former has always served well.
However, if you can find the sources to it, you can always compile and
use it, can't you?

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Re: [gentoo-user] where's good old inetd ?

[Bruno Lustosa]

On 6/21/06, Bruno Lustosa <bruno.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> inetd is way too old. I tried googling for it, and I couldn't even
> find source downloads for it.

Just to complement it, inetd _can_ be found in portage, in package
sys-apps/netkit-base

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Re: [gentoo-user] where's good old inetd ?

[Enrico Weigelt]

* Bruno Lustosa <bruno.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/21/06, Bruno Lustosa <bruno.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> >inetd is way too old. I tried googling for it, and I couldn't even
> >find source downloads for it.
> 
> Just to complement it, inetd _can_ be found in portage, in package
> sys-apps/netkit-base

The name is very confusing. Should be at least something like
"inetd-classic", etc. Nobody expects it to be "nekit-base".
Yeah, inetd is contained in this package, but it contains 
much more, while the ebuild only installs inetd.
Well, it installs the manpages and config files of the 
other stuff too. Quite unclean.


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Re: [gentoo-user] where's good old inetd ?

[kashani]

Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> * Bruno Lustosa <bruno.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>> anyway, why use old inetd at all? xinetd is way more powerful and secure!
> 
> well, I've already been using it for over 10 years, I never had
> serious problems with it, and has all I need. 
> So why should I now switch to xinetd ?

Because most of us switched to xinetd at least six years ago. :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] where's good old inetd ?

[Alexander Skwar]

Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> * Bruno Lustosa <bruno.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>> anyway, why use old inetd at all? xinetd is way more powerful and secure!
> 
> well, I've already been using it for over 10 years, I never had
> serious problems with it, and has all I need. 
> So why should I now switch to xinetd ?

It's more modern.

> Wouldn't it make more sense to let "inetd" be an virtual package 
> which can be configured by some useflag to get either classic inetd
> or xinet in, maybe xinet as default ?

Why? The current way is quite fine, IMO. You can easily select
which package to install, why depend on some USE flag?

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Re: [gentoo-user] where's good old inetd ?

[Enrico Weigelt]

* Alexander Skwar <listen@alexander.skwar.name> wrote:
> Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> >* Bruno Lustosa <bruno.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >>anyway, why use old inetd at all? xinetd is way more powerful and secure!
> >
> >well, I've already been using it for over 10 years, I never had
> >serious problems with it, and has all I need. 
> >So why should I now switch to xinetd ?
> 
> It's more modern.

Ah. Interesting argument. 
Because it's quite modern (for the kids) to wear overwide pants,
there's no need to produce tight ones anylonger ?
Great.

> >Wouldn't it make more sense to let "inetd" be an virtual package 
> >which can be configured by some useflag to get either classic inetd
> >or xinet in, maybe xinet as default ?
> 
> Why? The current way is quite fine, IMO. You can easily select
> which package to install, why depend on some USE flag?

Following you line of argumentation, the virtual package "inetd"
should be dropped, since people can directly choose "xinetd".


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Re: [gentoo-user] where's good old inetd ?

[Daniel da Veiga]

On 6/28/06, Enrico Weigelt <weigelt@metux.de> wrote:
> * Alexander Skwar <listen@alexander.skwar.name> wrote:
> > Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> > >* Bruno Lustosa <bruno.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > ><snip>
> > >
> > >>anyway, why use old inetd at all? xinetd is way more powerful and secure!
> > >
> > >well, I've already been using it for over 10 years, I never had
> > >serious problems with it, and has all I need.
> > >So why should I now switch to xinetd ?
> >
> > It's more modern.
>
> Ah. Interesting argument.
> Because it's quite modern (for the kids) to wear overwide pants,
> there's no need to produce tight ones anylonger ?
> Great.

Modern in the computer world = more efficient, robust, better support,
continue developing, more features, less security holes.

Modern in the fashion world = no one can ever put it in words.

>
> > >Wouldn't it make more sense to let "inetd" be an virtual package
> > >which can be configured by some useflag to get either classic inetd
> > >or xinet in, maybe xinet as default ?
> >
> > Why? The current way is quite fine, IMO. You can easily select
> > which package to install, why depend on some USE flag?
>
> Following you line of argumentation, the virtual package "inetd"
> should be dropped, since people can directly choose "xinetd".
>

<begin MHO>
Its not even in portage, people just stopped using it... xinetd has
all the functions of it, its like using the old bsh because bash is
"modern". I run xinetd in a pentium 100, there's no need for the old
inetd unless you still have an old (already installed and configured)
workstation running an old OS (but still serving its purpose). Its
evolution baby!
<end MHO>

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Re: [gentoo-user] where's good old inetd ?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:16:37 -0300, Daniel da Veiga wrote:

> Modern in the computer world = more efficient, robust, better support,
> continue developing, more features, less security holes.

As in Vista is more modern than XP is more modern than Win98? :)


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Re: [gentoo-user] where's good old inetd ?

[Nick Rout]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:33:22 +0200
Enrico Weigelt wrote:

> * Alexander Skwar <listen@alexander.skwar.name> wrote:
> > Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> > >* Bruno Lustosa <bruno.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > ><snip>
> > >
> > >>anyway, why use old inetd at all? xinetd is way more powerful and secure!
> > >
> > >well, I've already been using it for over 10 years, I never had
> > >serious problems with it, and has all I need. 
> > >So why should I now switch to xinetd ?
> > 
> > It's more modern.
> 
> Ah. Interesting argument. 
> Because it's quite modern (for the kids) to wear overwide pants,
> there's no need to produce tight ones anylonger ?
> Great.

No the more correct analagy is that they now make cars with seat belts
and airbags. You can look for a new car that has no safety features but
you probably wouldn't.

xinetd was designed as a SECURE and MODULAR replacement for inetd. 

Perhaps you log into your servers over the internet using telnet too. We
ain't gonna stop you, but don't be surprised if people counsel you
against it.


> 
> > >Wouldn't it make more sense to let "inetd" be an virtual package 
> > >which can be configured by some useflag to get either classic inetd
> > >or xinet in, maybe xinet as default ?
> > 
> > Why? The current way is quite fine, IMO. You can easily select
> > which package to install, why depend on some USE flag?
> 
> Following you line of argumentation, the virtual package "inetd"
> should be dropped, since people can directly choose "xinetd".
> 

sounds like a good idea :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] where's good old inetd ?

[kashani]

Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> Ah. Interesting argument. 
> Because it's quite modern (for the kids) to wear overwide pants,
> there's no need to produce tight ones anylonger ?
> Great.

	It's more along the lines of inetd being utter crap compared to xinetd. 
What next, complaining that NCSA httpd isn't in portage and how you're 
forced to use Apache? :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] where's good old inetd ?

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Wednesday 21 June 2006 14:18, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I've just emerge'd inetd, and this installed xinetd.
> How can I get inetd installed ?

Well, if you *really* want it [1]. I do agree with the others. You should just
use xinitd as it is superior to inetd.

[1] http://www.rommel.stw.uni-erlangen.de/~fejf/cgi-bin/pfs-web.pl?filter-search_file=/etc/init.d/inetd

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