From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMKOB-00032u-MD for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:19:08 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CA36DE0062; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D3CE0062 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so2928807wfg.10 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:19:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=6SK7GYu06s6SWvh0iMP/RgkAnz/nBmpgH7i/kaB774g=; b=ReYurDfxls7sCddQAt/iBIGDQNc3fna0JijWoDJtdni1168Gfjzc939QSTaCUM+Z2+ kKem2LdoEKvGZNQqzWHs0XBmLaXPOuRqvtcgYPm2lCa1Zh//Ta3BoMHwOBUDH+6fsXil 2ndWqnBzE6R+iO0uLD2ukdYU69hkoi0EXMzrc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=yDzPmg7R/grZUjrgIn7BhNqcFZeH0qtnM/g4zRIoF5HOVkz+YAdaSAwTAFCYr80R4n ohikyID6yfeRllGpkZxcXgQ5fcJEpHqxlAINSWOeNxPAueKYDLOPuzEkwZufcCyC2gD5 TAVr+O2AvXSiwYkJjuv88jesdLmA42iam0DfE= Received: by 10.142.81.6 with SMTP id e6mr486435wfb.205.1216981145036; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.128.3 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:19:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:19:04 +0200 From: "Alan McKinnon" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kernel 2.6.25-r6 oddities; is this kernel really ready for stable? In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_32519_1227931.1216981145029" References: <9acccfe50807230952y795535cck52a8872d42b805c6@mail.gmail.com> <200807241053.08795.basti.wiesner@gmx.net> <9acccfe50807240739lc35c6bcj1557875adf8fff4e@mail.gmail.com> <200807241806.30065.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> <20080724194212.7eb73706@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> <9acccfe50807241928v7148847w5b3c1fe9b42481@mail.gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 73ad1599-41fe-4582-8129-77aac2e6a060 X-Archives-Hash: b33624403b5c5de26afdaeaa0f5519ca ------=_Part_32519_1227931.1216981145029 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > > But when you ask them about support for the new kernels, the answer is "we > are annoyed by the kernel development process; they change the internal API > all the time, it's annoying." > > I think it's time for the kernel devs to apologize to VMWare and to promise > that they won't be so annoying anymore in the future. We can't let VMWare > getting annoyed, now can we. > > read "stable-api-nonsense.txt" in any kernel source directory. That's the way it works. If VMWare doesn't like it, that's tough. They DO have the option of putting their entire code base in the kernel tree like every other driver that is already there, but they have chosen not to. That's their choice and no-one forced them to do it. Now they have to live with that choice and stop whinging. Linux existed long before VMWare came along. It will likely still exist long after VMWare has gone away. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com ------=_Part_32519_1227931.1216981145029 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> wrote:


But when you ask them about support for the new kernels, the answer is "we are annoyed by the kernel development process; they change the internal API all the time, it's annoying."

I think it's time for the kernel devs to apologize to VMWare and to promise that they won't be so annoying anymore in the future.  We can't let VMWare getting annoyed, now can we.


read "stable-api-nonsense.txt" in any kernel source directory. That's the way it works. If VMWare doesn't like it, that's tough. They DO have the option of putting their entire code base in the kernel tree like every other driver that is already there, but they have chosen not to. That's their choice and no-one forced them to do it. Now they have to live with that choice and stop whinging.

Linux existed long before VMWare came along. It will likely still exist long after VMWare has gone away.


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Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com
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