[gentoo-user] Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[gentoo-user] Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[tuxic]

Hi,

Is it posible to use Firefox wihout pulseaudio installed?
If "yes" -- how can I acchieche this?

Thanks a lot for any help in advance!

Cheers!
Meino

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[Dale]

tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is it posible to use Firefox wihout pulseaudio installed?
> If "yes" -- how can I acchieche this?
>
> Thanks a lot for any help in advance!
>
> Cheers!
> Meino
>

I found this. 

https://codelab.wordpress.com/2017/12/11/firefox-drops-alsa-apulse-to-the-rescue/


I read a bit and it may be interesting or may not but it seems to have
some sort of solution.  If it doesn't, my Firefox is likely to be quiet,
whether it wants to or not.  Then again, Palemoon may be a option if I
can get some addons to work. 

Let's hope that helps, both of us.  :/

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[tuxic]

On 01/13 10:29, Dale wrote:
> tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is it posible to use Firefox wihout pulseaudio installed?
> > If "yes" -- how can I acchieche this?
> >
> > Thanks a lot for any help in advance!
> >
> > Cheers!
> > Meino
> >
> 
> I found this. 
> 
> https://codelab.wordpress.com/2017/12/11/firefox-drops-alsa-apulse-to-the-rescue/
> 
> 
> I read a bit and it may be interesting or may not but it seems to have
> some sort of solution.  If it doesn't, my Firefox is likely to be quiet,
> whether it wants to or not.  Then again, Palemoon may be a option if I
> can get some addons to work. 
> 
> Let's hope that helps, both of us.  :/
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
> 

Hi Dale,

thanks for the informations!

I tried Palemoon some time ago. I checked its security and privacy
feature with certain sites on the internet, which provide such
services and found some issues, which I wanted to discuss on their
forum. The answer was not to believe such sites and in result security
would be a matter of how much I believe in a certain software.  My
understanding is, that security is no believe system but a matter of
well done software engineering. Therefore I quit Palemoon and I am no
longer interested in it.

I looked into the linked page and interestingly the solution suggested
is exactlu what makes me headaches now: I have a blocker:

 * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
 * installed at the same time on the same system.

  (media-plugins/alsa-plugins-1.1.5:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
    >=media-plugins/alsa-plugins-1.0.27-r1[pulseaudio,abi_x86_32(-)?,abi_x86_64(-)?,abi_x86_x32(-)?,abi_mips_n32(-)?,abi_mips_n64(-)?,abi_mips_o32(-)?,abi_ppc_32(-)?,abi_ppc_64(-)?,abi_s390_32(-)?,abi_s390_64(-)?] (>=media-plugins/alsa-plugins-1.0.27-r1[pulseaudio,abi_x86_64(-)]) required by (media-sound/pulseaudio-11.1:0/0::gentoo, installed)
    media-plugins/alsa-plugins required by @selected

  (media-sound/apulse-0.1.10:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
    media-sound/apulse required by (www-client/firefox-bin-57.0.4-r1:0/0::gentoo, installed)


...and apulse is one of it.

How can I get out of it?

Cheers
Meino

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[Dale]

tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> On 01/13 10:29, Dale wrote:
>> tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Is it posible to use Firefox wihout pulseaudio installed?
>>> If "yes" -- how can I acchieche this?
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot for any help in advance!
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Meino
>>>
>> I found this. 
>>
>> https://codelab.wordpress.com/2017/12/11/firefox-drops-alsa-apulse-to-the-rescue/
>>
>>
>> I read a bit and it may be interesting or may not but it seems to have
>> some sort of solution.  If it doesn't, my Firefox is likely to be quiet,
>> whether it wants to or not.  Then again, Palemoon may be a option if I
>> can get some addons to work. 
>>
>> Let's hope that helps, both of us.  :/
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-) 
>>
> Hi Dale,
>
> thanks for the informations!
>
> I tried Palemoon some time ago. I checked its security and privacy
> feature with certain sites on the internet, which provide such
> services and found some issues, which I wanted to discuss on their
> forum. The answer was not to believe such sites and in result security
> would be a matter of how much I believe in a certain software.  My
> understanding is, that security is no believe system but a matter of
> well done software engineering. Therefore I quit Palemoon and I am no
> longer interested in it.
>
> I looked into the linked page and interestingly the solution suggested
> is exactlu what makes me headaches now: I have a blocker:
>
>  * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
>  * installed at the same time on the same system.
>
>   (media-plugins/alsa-plugins-1.1.5:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
>     >=media-plugins/alsa-plugins-1.0.27-r1[pulseaudio,abi_x86_32(-)?,abi_x86_64(-)?,abi_x86_x32(-)?,abi_mips_n32(-)?,abi_mips_n64(-)?,abi_mips_o32(-)?,abi_ppc_32(-)?,abi_ppc_64(-)?,abi_s390_32(-)?,abi_s390_64(-)?] (>=media-plugins/alsa-plugins-1.0.27-r1[pulseaudio,abi_x86_64(-)]) required by (media-sound/pulseaudio-11.1:0/0::gentoo, installed)
>     media-plugins/alsa-plugins required by @selected
>
>   (media-sound/apulse-0.1.10:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
>     media-sound/apulse required by (www-client/firefox-bin-57.0.4-r1:0/0::gentoo, installed)
>
>
> ...and apulse is one of it.
>
> How can I get out of it?
>
> Cheers
> Meino
>

I'm still on the older Firefox but I get this here:


root@fireball / # emerge -av apulse

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild  N     ] media-sound/apulse-0.1.10::gentoo  ABI_X86="(64) -32
(-x32)" 108 KiB

Total: 1 package (1 new), Size of downloads: 108 KiB

Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No] n


If you are already on the newer Firefox, which I guess you are, then
that may be what makes it block things.  So, I tried this:


root@fireball / # emerge -av apulse firefox

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:


Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild  N     ] media-sound/apulse-0.1.10::gentoo  ABI_X86="(64) -32
(-x32)" 108 KiB
[ebuild   R   ~] www-client/firefox-56.0::x-portage [56.0::gentoo]
USE="dbus gmp-autoupdate nsplugin startup-notification system-harfbuzz
system-jpeg system-libevent system-libvpx system-sqlite -bindist
-custom-cflags -custom-optimization -debug -eme-free -hardened -hwaccel
-jack (-neon) -pgo -pulseaudio (-selinux) -system-icu {-test} -wifi"
L10N="-ach -af -an -ar -as -ast -az -bg -bn-BD -bn-IN -br -bs -ca -cak
-cs -cy -da -de -dsb -el -en-GB -en-ZA -eo -es-AR -es-CL -es-ES -es-MX
-et -eu -fa -ff -fi -fr -fy -ga -gd -gl -gn -gu -he -hi -hr -hsb -hu -hy
-id -is -it -ja -ka -kab -kk -km -kn -ko -lij -lt -lv -mai -mk -ml -mr
-ms -nb -nl -nn -or -pa -pl -pt-BR -pt-PT -rm -ro -ru -si -sk -sl -son
-sq -sr -sv -ta -te -th -tr -uk -uz -vi -xh -zh-CN -zh-TW" 249,404 KiB

Total: 2 packages (1 new, 1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 249,512 KiB

Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No]


For some reason, it likes the idea.  So, differences between us.  I
notice you are on a newer version of alsa than I am.  Here's mine: 


[IP-] [  ] media-libs/alsa-lib-1.1.2:0
[IP-] [  ] media-sound/alsa-utils-1.1.2:0.9


Could it be that it doesn't like the newer version of alsa, yet at
least?  Possible. 

Does that help any?  Could you drop to that lower version of alsa and
see if it helps or is there a needed fix for you in that newer version? 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

P. S.  Keep in mind, I'd like to get this to work here too later on.  ;-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[tuxic]

On 01/13 11:19, Dale wrote:
> tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> > On 01/13 10:29, Dale wrote:
> >> tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Is it posible to use Firefox wihout pulseaudio installed?
> >>> If "yes" -- how can I acchieche this?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot for any help in advance!
> >>>
> >>> Cheers!
> >>> Meino
> >>>
> >> I found this. 
> >>
> >> https://codelab.wordpress.com/2017/12/11/firefox-drops-alsa-apulse-to-the-rescue/
> >>
> >>
> >> I read a bit and it may be interesting or may not but it seems to have
> >> some sort of solution.  If it doesn't, my Firefox is likely to be quiet,
> >> whether it wants to or not.  Then again, Palemoon may be a option if I
> >> can get some addons to work. 
> >>
> >> Let's hope that helps, both of us.  :/
> >>
> >> Dale
> >>
> >> :-)  :-) 
> >>
> > Hi Dale,
> >
> > thanks for the informations!
> >
> > I tried Palemoon some time ago. I checked its security and privacy
> > feature with certain sites on the internet, which provide such
> > services and found some issues, which I wanted to discuss on their
> > forum. The answer was not to believe such sites and in result security
> > would be a matter of how much I believe in a certain software.  My
> > understanding is, that security is no believe system but a matter of
> > well done software engineering. Therefore I quit Palemoon and I am no
> > longer interested in it.
> >
> > I looked into the linked page and interestingly the solution suggested
> > is exactlu what makes me headaches now: I have a blocker:
> >
> >  * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
> >  * installed at the same time on the same system.
> >
> >   (media-plugins/alsa-plugins-1.1.5:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
> >     >=media-plugins/alsa-plugins-1.0.27-r1[pulseaudio,abi_x86_32(-)?,abi_x86_64(-)?,abi_x86_x32(-)?,abi_mips_n32(-)?,abi_mips_n64(-)?,abi_mips_o32(-)?,abi_ppc_32(-)?,abi_ppc_64(-)?,abi_s390_32(-)?,abi_s390_64(-)?] (>=media-plugins/alsa-plugins-1.0.27-r1[pulseaudio,abi_x86_64(-)]) required by (media-sound/pulseaudio-11.1:0/0::gentoo, installed)
> >     media-plugins/alsa-plugins required by @selected
> >
> >   (media-sound/apulse-0.1.10:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
> >     media-sound/apulse required by (www-client/firefox-bin-57.0.4-r1:0/0::gentoo, installed)
> >
> >
> > ...and apulse is one of it.
> >
> > How can I get out of it?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Meino
> >
> 
> I'm still on the older Firefox but I get this here:
> 
> 
> root@fireball / # emerge -av apulse
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [ebuild  N     ] media-sound/apulse-0.1.10::gentoo  ABI_X86="(64) -32
> (-x32)" 108 KiB
> 
> Total: 1 package (1 new), Size of downloads: 108 KiB
> 
> Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No] n
> 
> 
> If you are already on the newer Firefox, which I guess you are, then
> that may be what makes it block things.  So, I tried this:
> 
> 
> root@fireball / # emerge -av apulse firefox
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [ebuild  N     ] media-sound/apulse-0.1.10::gentoo  ABI_X86="(64) -32
> (-x32)" 108 KiB
> [ebuild   R   ~] www-client/firefox-56.0::x-portage [56.0::gentoo]
> USE="dbus gmp-autoupdate nsplugin startup-notification system-harfbuzz
> system-jpeg system-libevent system-libvpx system-sqlite -bindist
> -custom-cflags -custom-optimization -debug -eme-free -hardened -hwaccel
> -jack (-neon) -pgo -pulseaudio (-selinux) -system-icu {-test} -wifi"
> L10N="-ach -af -an -ar -as -ast -az -bg -bn-BD -bn-IN -br -bs -ca -cak
> -cs -cy -da -de -dsb -el -en-GB -en-ZA -eo -es-AR -es-CL -es-ES -es-MX
> -et -eu -fa -ff -fi -fr -fy -ga -gd -gl -gn -gu -he -hi -hr -hsb -hu -hy
> -id -is -it -ja -ka -kab -kk -km -kn -ko -lij -lt -lv -mai -mk -ml -mr
> -ms -nb -nl -nn -or -pa -pl -pt-BR -pt-PT -rm -ro -ru -si -sk -sl -son
> -sq -sr -sv -ta -te -th -tr -uk -uz -vi -xh -zh-CN -zh-TW" 249,404 KiB
> 
> Total: 2 packages (1 new, 1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 249,512 KiB
> 
> Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No]
> 
> 
> For some reason, it likes the idea.  So, differences between us.  I
> notice you are on a newer version of alsa than I am.  Here's mine: 
> 
> 
> [IP-] [  ] media-libs/alsa-lib-1.1.2:0
> [IP-] [  ] media-sound/alsa-utils-1.1.2:0.9
> 
> 
> Could it be that it doesn't like the newer version of alsa, yet at
> least?  Possible. 
> 
> Does that help any?  Could you drop to that lower version of alsa and
> see if it helps or is there a needed fix for you in that newer version? 
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
> 
> P. S.  Keep in mind, I'd like to get this to work here too later on.  ;-) 
> 


Hi Dale,

one problem here is, that I am using firefox-bin, because compiling
firefox gave me compile errors in the past.

One dependency of firefox-bin is....pulseaudio.

Currently I am trying to compile firefox and will see how far it
goes...

Short question: What timezone you are?

Cheers
Meino

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[Dale]

tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> Hi Dale,
>
> one problem here is, that I am using firefox-bin, because compiling
> firefox gave me compile errors in the past.
>
> One dependency of firefox-bin is....pulseaudio.
>
> Currently I am trying to compile firefox and will see how far it
> goes...
>
> Short question: What timezone you are?
>
> Cheers
> Meino
>

I'm on CST here in the USA.  May be around a little longer.  Before you
compile Firefox, make sure of your USE flags.  No point compiling that
monster and then realizing a USE flag is wrong. 

I suspect you can make this work with a compiled version.  Just a feeling. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[tuxic]

On 01/13 11:39, Dale wrote:
> tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> > Hi Dale,
> >
> > one problem here is, that I am using firefox-bin, because compiling
> > firefox gave me compile errors in the past.
> >
> > One dependency of firefox-bin is....pulseaudio.
> >
> > Currently I am trying to compile firefox and will see how far it
> > goes...
> >
> > Short question: What timezone you are?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Meino
> >
> 
> I'm on CST here in the USA.  May be around a little longer.  Before you
> compile Firefox, make sure of your USE flags.  No point compiling that
> monster and then realizing a USE flag is wrong. 
> 
> I suspect you can make this work with a compiled version.  Just a feeling. 
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
> 

Hi Dale,

I am on UTC+1 here...

Thanks for the USEful :) hint!
Will see how far it goes. Currently rust is compiling and is
periodically
eating all my memory and my box starts swapping...

This will take a while.
As soon I have further results, I will be back!

Cheers!
Meino

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[Mick]

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On Sunday, 14 January 2018 05:51:57 GMT tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> On 01/13 11:39, Dale wrote:
> > tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> > > Hi Dale,
> > > 
> > > one problem here is, that I am using firefox-bin, because compiling
> > > firefox gave me compile errors in the past.
> > > 
> > > One dependency of firefox-bin is....pulseaudio.
> > > 
> > > Currently I am trying to compile firefox and will see how far it
> > > goes...
> > > 
> > > Short question: What timezone you are?
> > > 
> > > Cheers
> > > Meino
> > 
> > I'm on CST here in the USA.  May be around a little longer.  Before you
> > compile Firefox, make sure of your USE flags.  No point compiling that
> > monster and then realizing a USE flag is wrong. 
> > 
> > I suspect you can make this work with a compiled version.  Just a
> > feeling. 
> > 
> > Dale
> > 
> > :-)  :-) 
> 
> Hi Dale,
> 
> I am on UTC+1 here...
> 
> Thanks for the USEful :) hint!
> Will see how far it goes. Currently rust is compiling and is
> periodically
> eating all my memory and my box starts swapping...
> 
> This will take a while.
> As soon I have further results, I will be back!
> 
> Cheers!
> Meino

With each job taking up to 1.2G of RAM you can quickly exhaust available 
memory on older PCs and swapping can start grinding the box to a halt.  Since 
the move to profile 17.0 I found my old laptop comes to its knees on compiling 
larger packages like Chromium.  If you also find swapping starts thrashing 
your drive and emerge moves nowhere fast as it becomes I/O bound, you should 
consider reducing the number of jobs with MAKEOPTS="-jX" where X is a lesser 
number than previously used and also reducing the --load-average to a low(er) 
number.  

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 11:36:23 +0000, Mick wrote:

> With each job taking up to 1.2G of RAM you can quickly exhaust
> available memory on older PCs and swapping can start grinding the box
> to a halt.  Since the move to profile 17.0 I found my old laptop comes
> to its knees on compiling larger packages like Chromium.  If you also
> find swapping starts thrashing your drive and emerge moves nowhere fast
> as it becomes I/O bound, you should consider reducing the number of
> jobs with MAKEOPTS="-jX" where X is a lesser number than previously
> used and also reducing the --load-average to a low(er) number.  

I have 8GB in this laptop (not expandable) and Chromium is currently
swapping away with -j4. With -j2 it didn't so I'll try -j3 next time.

You can set it on a per package basis:

% cat /etc/portage/package.env/chromium
www-client/chromium disk-tmpdir.conf j3.conf

% cat /etc/portage/env/j3.conf
MAKEOPTS="-j3"

% cat /etc/portage/env/disk-tmpdir.conf
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/mnt/scratch"

The last one is needed because TMPDIR is on a tmpfs normally.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

If at first you don't suceed, try the switch marked "Power"

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[tuxic]

On 01/14 12:11, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 11:36:23 +0000, Mick wrote:
> 
> > With each job taking up to 1.2G of RAM you can quickly exhaust
> > available memory on older PCs and swapping can start grinding the box
> > to a halt.  Since the move to profile 17.0 I found my old laptop comes
> > to its knees on compiling larger packages like Chromium.  If you also
> > find swapping starts thrashing your drive and emerge moves nowhere fast
> > as it becomes I/O bound, you should consider reducing the number of
> > jobs with MAKEOPTS="-jX" where X is a lesser number than previously
> > used and also reducing the --load-average to a low(er) number.  
> 
> I have 8GB in this laptop (not expandable) and Chromium is currently
> swapping away with -j4. With -j2 it didn't so I'll try -j3 next time.
> 
> You can set it on a per package basis:
> 
> % cat /etc/portage/package.env/chromium
> www-client/chromium disk-tmpdir.conf j3.conf
> 
> % cat /etc/portage/env/j3.conf
> MAKEOPTS="-j3"
> 
> % cat /etc/portage/env/disk-tmpdir.conf
> PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/mnt/scratch"
> 
> The last one is needed because TMPDIR is on a tmpfs normally.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Neil Bothwick
> 
> If at first you don't suceed, try the switch marked "Power"


Hi,

thanks a lot for all the input.

I disabled pulseaudio via USE flag and recompiled the whole stuff.
And VOILA! : Sound without apulse and pulseaudio! NICE!

Cheers!
Meino

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[David Haller]

Hello,

On Sun, 14 Jan 2018, tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
>thanks a lot for all the input.
>
>I disabled pulseaudio via USE flag and recompiled the whole stuff.
>And VOILA! : Sound without apulse and pulseaudio! NICE!

BTW: I just rechecked, and it doesn't use an integrated copy too, I
think:

$ cd /usr/lib/firefox
$ nm firefox-bin *.so |grep -i pulse|c++filt 
00000000021d7060 t mozilla::dom::GamepadHapticActuator::Pulse(double, double, mo
0000000005a62c50 d mozilla::dom::GamepadHapticActuatorBinding::pulse_methodinfo
0000000001edb4e0 t mozilla::dom::GamepadHapticActuatorBinding::pulse_promiseWrap&)
0000000005aa20b0 d mozilla::sCannotInitializePulseAudio
0000000002f1d6a0 t decode_pulses
0000000002f1de00 t encode_pulses
0000000002f31b80 t silk_decode_pulses
0000000002f32660 t silk_encode_pulses
00000000049a1cd4 r silk_max_pulses_table
00000000049a1b60 r silk_pulses_per_block_BITS_Q5
00000000049a1c20 r silk_pulses_per_block_iCDF

Using strings similiarly yields e.g.:

libpulse.so.0
,libpulse %s
cannot-initialize-pulseaudio
MediaCannotInitializePulseAudio
Linux PulseAudio is *not* supported => ALSA APIs will be utilized instead

and ldd does not show any dep. So at _most_ it might try to dlopen
libpulse and if that fails maybe log the above "error".

Yay!
-dnh

-- 
There is, however, a strange, musty smell in the air that reminds me of
something...hmm...yes...I've got it...there's a VMS nearby, or I'm a Blit.
	-- Larry Wall in Configure from the perl distribution

[gentoo-user] Re: Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[Ian Zimmerman]

On 2018-01-14 05:49, tuxic@posteo.de wrote:

> I tried Palemoon some time ago. I checked its security and privacy
> feature with certain sites on the internet, which provide such
> services and found some issues, which I wanted to discuss on their
> forum. The answer was not to believe such sites and in result security
> would be a matter of how much I believe in a certain software.

I am keen to see a link to that discussion.  I searched the forum for
"meino" and "tuxic" but got no hits for either.  Can you help me?

-- 
Please don't Cc: me privately on mailing lists and Usenet,
if you also post the followup to the list or newsgroup.
To reply privately _only_ on Usenet, fetch the TXT record for the domain.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[tuxic]

On 01/14 08:54, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> On 2018-01-14 05:49, tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> 
> > I tried Palemoon some time ago. I checked its security and privacy
> > feature with certain sites on the internet, which provide such
> > services and found some issues, which I wanted to discuss on their
> > forum. The answer was not to believe such sites and in result security
> > would be a matter of how much I believe in a certain software.
> 
> I am keen to see a link to that discussion.  I searched the forum for
> "meino" and "tuxic" but got no hits for either.  Can you help me?
> 
> -- 
> Please don't Cc: me privately on mailing lists and Usenet,
> if you also post the followup to the list or newsgroup.
> To reply privately _only_ on Usenet, fetch the TXT record for the domain.
> 

Will see, whether it is still there...here it comes:
https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=14531&p=103898&hilit=mcc&sid=9477d72d647e5e361a52372fa5388ced#p103898

Cite:

|  "But as for me, I believe that Pale Moon comes with optimally secure
|  defaults since I have felt little need to change anything in regards
|  to security. If however you do not trust me or Moonchild, the
|  developer of Pale Moon, when we say that Pale Moon is secure enough as
|  is, then you are free to use whichever browser you trust is more
|  secure."


Keywords (more me at least) here were "believe" and "trust"...
Say, I would produce firewall systems professionally and would
"believe", that they are secure and "trust" in my work despite
the fact others has done some tests which render this security
questionable...would I be called a software engineer?
But this is only my point of view and my personal opinion, which
may or mau not be valid for others. No offense intended!
And: I dont want to start a flame war here. Yoy asked and tried
to give a answer, which may be useful onlu to explain my own point
of view.

Cheers
Meino

[gentoo-user] Re: Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[Ian Zimmerman]

On 2018-01-14 18:50, tuxic@posteo.de wrote:

> And: I dont want to start a flame war here. Yoy asked and tried
> to give a answer, which may be useful onlu to explain my own point
> of view.

Yes, it is very useful, many thanks.  Exactly what I asked for.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[Thomas Bracht Laumann Jespersen]

I was doing the exact same thing this weekend! The answer is yes (I think).

I'm not on my Gentoo box at the moment, so I'm not 100% sure that I
don't have apulse - I don't recall installing it, but I definitely
don't have pulseaudio. The sound was working (with speakertest), but I
had no sound in Firefox. I found a forum post [1] that said to find
these two settings in about:config:

browser.tabs.remote.autostart
browser.tabs.remote.autostart.2

and set them both to false. For me, the latter was already false, but
the first was set to true.

And then the sound worked! Hope it works for you,
-- Thomas

[1] https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8118290.html (the third post)

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[Dale]

tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is it posible to use Firefox wihout pulseaudio installed?
> If "yes" -- how can I acchieche this?
>
> Thanks a lot for any help in advance!
>
> Cheers!
> Meino
>

Sorry, I meant to paste this in too.

root@fireball / # eix apulse
* media-sound/apulse
     Available versions:  0.1.10 {ABI_MIPS="n32 n64 o32" ABI_PPC="32 64"
ABI_S390="32 64" ABI_X86="32 64 x32"}
     Homepage:            https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse
     Description:         PulseAudio emulation for ALSA

root@fireball / # 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[victor romanchuk]

On 01/14/2018 07:17 AM, tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> Is it posible to use Firefox wihout pulseaudio installed?
> If "yes" -- how can I acchieche this?

Yes it is possible; to achieve that you just have to use
www-client/firefox, e.g compile it from source

Due to dependencies (now ff is boud with dev-lang/rust which
subsequently requires llvm and clang) compilation time is comparable to
chromium

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[Jack]

On 2018.01.14 01:51, victor romanchuk wrote:
> On 01/14/2018 07:17 AM, tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
>> Is it posible to use Firefox wihout pulseaudio installed? If "yes"  
>> -- how can I acchieche this?
> 
> Yes it is possible; to achieve that you just have to use  
> www-client/firefox, e.g compile it from source
> 
> Due to dependencies (now ff is boud with dev-lang/rust which  
> subsequently requires llvm and clang) compilation time is comparable  
> to chromium

Chromium frequently takes over 24 hours to compile on my system,  
although the last two emerges were about 11 hours each.  My last  
firefox emerge was just under two hours, with the last ten or so all  
taking under three and a half hours.

Jack

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 13:01:23 -0500, Jack wrote:

> Chromium frequently takes over 24 hours to compile on my system,  
> although the last two emerges were about 11 hours each.  My last  
> firefox emerge was just under two hours, with the last ten or so all  
> taking under three and a half hours.

Is it swapping?


-- 
Neil Bothwick

WWW: World Wide Wait

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[Jack]

On 2018.01.14 13:23, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 13:01:23 -0500, Jack wrote:
> 
> > Chromium frequently takes over 24 hours to compile on my system,
> > although the last two emerges were about 11 hours each.  My last
> > firefox emerge was just under two hours, with the last ten or so all
> > taking under three and a half hours.
> 
> Is it swapping?

Good call, but only some - I'm pretty sure it's not to the point of  
thrashing.  Even so, with if I had enough RAM to totally avoid  
swapping, I don't think chromium would drop by a factor of 5 or 6.  (I  
don't  generally sit and watch - I generally try to emerge chromium  
overnight.)  However, the few times I've been trying to use the system  
while chromium compiles, it's been slow, but not totally unresponsive.   
In addition - I think the huge memory use is only for a small part of  
the total chromium compile.

Jack

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[David Haller]

Hello,

On Sun, 14 Jan 2018, tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
>Is it posible to use Firefox wihout pulseaudio installed?
>If "yes" -- how can I acchieche this?

Just compile with USE="-pulseaudio". Apparently, since 57.x, FF can be
built directly against alsa again.

I have neither apulse nor pulseaudio installed and audio e.g. on
youtube "just works".

HTH,
-dnh

-- 
PC's are designed by a committee of people who are in different companies
in different countries and who never talk to each other. -- Derick Siddoway

And nobody speaks the same language and they hate each other... -- Chris Adams

[gentoo-user] Re: Firefox 57.0.4 without pulseaudio? Possible?

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 14/01/18 06:17, tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is it posible to use Firefox wihout pulseaudio installed?
> If "yes" -- how can I acchieche this?
> 
> Thanks a lot for any help in advance!

Add this to /etc/portage/profile/package.provided:

   media-sound/pulseaudio-11.1

This will tell portage to assume that PA is installed, even though it isn't.