[gentoo-user] sanba mount on host machine

[gentoo-user] sanba mount on host machine

[reader]

Is this possible withou really negative impact of some sort.

Install as many HDD as mobo allows maybe adding a few more with pci
controllsers. (all sata if possible)

Install Gentoo as host OS on a smallish partition or drive.  Mount all
remaining drives as CIFS mounts accessable from samba or smb from host
or windowsXP clients.  All this over gigabit ethernet.


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Re: [gentoo-user] sanba mount on host machine

[Hans-Werner Hilse]

Hi,

On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 13:47:12 -0600 reader@newsguy.com wrote:

> Is this possible withou really negative impact of some sort.

If this is a question (please clarify a bit, and use question marks
when appropriate!):  Of course it has a negative impact -- opposed to
built-in storage, which should be faster than network based storage :-)

But if you have Windows clients, that's almost the only option you
have. Well, you could go with WebDAV, but I wouldn't recommend that,
it's most probably not nearly as stable as Samba.

Even for Linux/Unix clients (given they have proper CIFS/SMB support)
Samba is a capable option for a networked file system.

OTOH, there's Windows SFU, which you can use to mount NFS shares, but I
heard it's a pain in the *** to set it up.

-hwh
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[gentoo-user] Re: sanba mount on host machine

[Harry Putnam]

Hans-Werner Hilse <hilse@web.de> writes:

> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 13:47:12 -0600 reader@newsguy.com wrote:
>
> Is this possible withou really negative impact of some sort.
>
> If this is a question (please clarify a bit, and use question marks
> when appropriate!):  Of course it has a negative impact -- opposed to
> built-in storage, which should be faster than network based storage :-)

Did you not see the rest of the post? (Reposted below)

    Is this possible withou[t] really negative impact of some
    sort:[colon added]

    Install as many HDD as mobo allows maybe adding a few more with
    pci controllsers. (all sata if possible)

    Install Gentoo as host OS on a smallish partition or drive.  Mount
    all remaining drives as CIFS mounts accessable from samba or smb
    from host or windowsXP clients.  All this over gigabit ethernet.

> But if you have Windows clients, that's almost the only option you
> have. Well, you could go with WebDAV, but I wouldn't recommend that,
> it's most probably not nearly as stable as Samba.

No, that isn't true.  If you mean mounting the hosts HDD as cifs
mounts.  Windows machines have no trouble accessing host gentoo drives
with no special setup other than samba running.

> Even for Linux/Unix clients (given they have proper CIFS/SMB support)
> Samba is a capable option for a networked file system.

It is clear enough that samba and cifs is required to network with
windows machines... that I know going in.

The question once again was, can one install a working gentoo OS on a
machine and then mount some number of the machines on board HDD as
cifs mounts to be accessed with samba internally by the host OS as well
as thru smb from any networked computers?

What I want here is to know if the host OS can be made to see its own
native drives as cifs mounted shares.

The drives would be formatted NTFS and would be the basis of a home
built NAS [Network Attached Storage].  I want them all NTFS to feed a
space hungry Event Videography business.

I don't want to dink around with mounting as NTFS on linux since it
really isn't yet supported, but want to access these drives solely
thru samba.

> OTOH, there's Windows SFU, which you can use to mount NFS shares, but I
> heard it's a pain in the *** to set it up.

You heard right.  It does work once you understand the setup but then
far as I know NFS has some inherent bottleneck to moving large files
anyway.  (That is hearsay... not from experience.. I had no really
large files to move back when I had Windows SFU set up nor was I
concerned with that)



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[gentoo-user] Re: sanba mount on host machine

[reader]

Hans-Werner Hilse <hilse@web.de> writes:

> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 13:47:12 -0600 reader@newsguy.com wrote:
>
>> Is this possible withou really negative impact of some sort.

> If this is a question (please clarify a bit, and use question marks
> when appropriate!):  Of course it has a negative impact -- opposed to
> built-in storage, which should be faster than network based storage :-)

I guess it was phrased awkwardly, but did you not see the rest of the
post? <==

 (Posted here again for clarity)

   Install as many HDD as mobo allows maybe adding a few more with pci
   controllsers. (all sata if possible)

   Install Gentoo as host OS on a smallish partition or drive.  Mount
   all remaining drives as CIFS mounts accessable from samba or smb
   from host or windowsXP clients.  All this over gigabit ethernet.

> But if you have Windows clients, that's almost the only option you
> have. Well, you could go with WebDAV, but I wouldn't recommend that,
> it's most probably not nearly as stable as Samba.

> Even for Linux/Unix clients (given they have proper CIFS/SMB support)
> Samba is a capable option for a networked file system.

Rephrasing the question:  Will it work to mount a hosts (gentoo host)
native onboard drives as cifs mounts only.  These drives would all be
formatted NTFS 

(unless someone can tell me there is a linux format that
will be as fast when dealing with huge video files.  And will not
introduce some problem when trnaferring between NTFS on a client and
whatever format on the gentoo box)

I don't want to dink around with mounting as NTFS because of poor or
non existent or illegal linux support for NTFS.

The gentoo host would have its own partition or drive and would serve
as a NAS for the other NTFS drives.

So once again the question is can gentoo have its native drives (not
the OS drive) formatted as NTFS and mounted only as cifs mounts on the
same machine?

> OTOH, there's Windows SFU, which you can use to mount NFS shares, but I
> heard it's a pain in the *** to set it up.

You heard right.  I've done it but it took a while and far as I know
there is some inherent bottleneck with NFS moving huge files anyway.
(That is hearsay since I did not try it when I had that setup.  I
didn't have the need to move huge files then)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sanba mount on host machine

[Michael Schreckenbauer]

Am Montag, 6. November 2006 19:13 schrieb Harry Putnam:
> I don't want to dink around with mounting as NTFS on linux since it
> really isn't yet supported, but want to access these drives solely
> thru samba.

I'm not shure,  I get the point here :)
"samba" can only export filesystems known to the OS it's running on. So if you 
run "samba" on your gentoo-box and you want it to export NTFS-partitions, 
gentoo must know about NTFS and the partitions have to be mounted as such.
So, access "solely thru samba" simply does not work.
Could you clarify, why you want to use NTFS?
Windows is able to access any linux-filesystem with samba.

regards,
Michael
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sanba mount on host machine

[James Ausmus]

On 11/6/06, reader@newsguy.com <reader@newsguy.com> wrote:
> Hans-Werner Hilse <hilse@web.de> writes:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 13:47:12 -0600 reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> >
> >> Is this possible withou really negative impact of some sort.
>
> > If this is a question (please clarify a bit, and use question marks
> > when appropriate!):  Of course it has a negative impact -- opposed to
> > built-in storage, which should be faster than network based storage :-)
>
> I guess it was phrased awkwardly, but did you not see the rest of the
> post? <==
>
>  (Posted here again for clarity)
>
>    Install as many HDD as mobo allows maybe adding a few more with pci
>    controllsers. (all sata if possible)
>
>    Install Gentoo as host OS on a smallish partition or drive.  Mount
>    all remaining drives as CIFS mounts accessable from samba or smb
>    from host or windowsXP clients.  All this over gigabit ethernet.
>
> > But if you have Windows clients, that's almost the only option you
> > have. Well, you could go with WebDAV, but I wouldn't recommend that,
> > it's most probably not nearly as stable as Samba.
>
> > Even for Linux/Unix clients (given they have proper CIFS/SMB support)
> > Samba is a capable option for a networked file system.
>
> Rephrasing the question:  Will it work to mount a hosts (gentoo host)
> native onboard drives as cifs mounts only.  These drives would all be
> formatted NTFS

In short - no.

Samba/CIFS are *network* filesystems - you can't "format a partition
with a Samba or CIFS filesystem", and you can't mount a local drive as
Samba or CIFS - it is not a physical filesystem, but a protocol to
access a share *over a network*.

All you need to do is format these drives with the filesystem of your
choice (I personally like ReiserFS, I've heard some people say that
XFS is better/faster for really big files, or, if you don't want/need
journaling, maybe just ext2?), then setup Samba to share those drives
over the network to the other computers that need to access them. The
magic of Samba/CIFS is that the other computer have absolutely *No
Clue* what the *underlying* filesystem on the physical drive is - they
don't care, and they don't need to care, as the Samba server on the
Gentoo side takes care of all of that. The filesystem on the client
side (the Windows box - NTFS) won't make any difference whatsoever
when transferring files to the Samba share, as Samba is Samba is Samba
- no matter the underlying physical filesystem that the Samba share is
"from".

HTH-

James


>
> (unless someone can tell me there is a linux format that
> will be as fast when dealing with huge video files.  And will not
> introduce some problem when trnaferring between NTFS on a client and
> whatever format on the gentoo box)
>
> I don't want to dink around with mounting as NTFS because of poor or
> non existent or illegal linux support for NTFS.
>
> The gentoo host would have its own partition or drive and would serve
> as a NAS for the other NTFS drives.
>
> So once again the question is can gentoo have its native drives (not
> the OS drive) formatted as NTFS and mounted only as cifs mounts on the
> same machine?
>
> > OTOH, there's Windows SFU, which you can use to mount NFS shares, but I
> > heard it's a pain in the *** to set it up.
>
> You heard right.  I've done it but it took a while and far as I know
> there is some inherent bottleneck with NFS moving huge files anyway.
> (That is hearsay since I did not try it when I had that setup.  I
> didn't have the need to move huge files then)
>
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>
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[gentoo-user] Re: sanba mount on host machine

[reader]

"James Ausmus" <james.ausmus@gmail.com> writes:

>> Rephrasing the question:  Will it work to mount a hosts (gentoo host)
>> native onboard drives as cifs mounts only.  These drives would all be
>> formatted NTFS
>
> In short - no.
>
> Samba/CIFS are *network* filesystems - you can't "format a partition
> with a Samba or CIFS filesystem", and you can't mount a local drive as
> Samba or CIFS - it is not a physical filesystem, but a protocol to
> access a share *over a network*.
>
> All you need to do is format these drives with the filesystem of your
> choice (I personally like ReiserFS, I've heard some people say that

OK, I seem to have been tying myself in unnecessary knots (not an
unknown state for me).

I seem to recall somewhere having seen something that made me think
there was some problem inherent in moving large files from one of the
linux formats (I use Reiserfs on all but /boot and have for a good
while) onto NTFS or vice versa.

I wasn't sure it would be as transparent as you say.  Is this just a
myth I've picked up somewhere?  I guess it would not be that hard to
test out.

I'm thinking to test a format conversion from CanopusDV.avi to mpeg2
streams like one uses for DVD authoring, putting the source *.avi of
some 15gb on my gentoo box on an reiserfs partition.  Then from the
windows XP where the conversion application resides find the source
file and give the destination of the mpeg files onto one of the NTFS
partitions on the win box.

Time that run then do it with two windows XP boxes with source on one
and conversion tools on the other.  time that run and compare.

Not scientific for sure but should give some fairly good comparison.

All boxes have gigabit interconnectivity.

If its not to far apart I'll say I was hoodwinked about there being a
problem. 

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