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[173.180.172.81]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o1-20020a62cd01000000b0056d2317455bsm55779pfg.7.2022.12.08.15.35.58 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 08 Dec 2022 15:35:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 15:35:57 -0800 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.5.0 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] NAS and replacing with larger drives Content-Language: en-US To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <9407e524-2226-6ba9-dd7f-bac635d083e3@gmail.com> <2de66c79-5d14-1a54-74cf-43390eec7869@gmail.com> From: Daniel Frey In-Reply-To: <2de66c79-5d14-1a54-74cf-43390eec7869@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 1ec3062a-9af2-4073-b48a-76d957d32e7c X-Archives-Hash: 28218826a37c8b735ca4f9d998bc2915 On 12/8/22 05:58, Dale wrote: > > > I was thinking DAS was not a good option.  It seems like a feature > removed and cheaper version of NAS. > > I think I've seen a couple Synology NAS boxes but I think even used they > were a bit pricey.  Still, used could make that a option. Maybe.  It > could fall into the category of pay a little more for a much better > option, even if it is used. > > I've considered using older systems I have for NAS but they are large. > Way to large.  It would require a lot of effort to shrink them down if > it is even possible.  A NAS is smaller and designed for what I need as > well.  This is what I found that goes with the Raspberry Pi. > > https://shop.allnetchina.cn/collections/sata-hat/products/dual-sata-hat-open-frame-for-raspberry-pi-4 > > There is a two bay and a four bay version.  I think the case is the same > for both so I may go with four for future expansion.  Price isn't bad > for that part but as you say, Raspberry Pi board is a bit pricey.  Thing > is, given the amount of control I'd have over it, it could be a better > option long term.  I might add, I think this board is somewhat new.  I > meant to include a link to it but forget.  It could be that you are not > aware of that, or many other people either.  Also, I'd like to buy it > from a more local vendor.  I've bought things from China through Ebay > but it has a guarantee and refund option that is fairly good.  It's a > option I've had to exercise a time or two. > > Part of me wants to buy a used but well featured NAS box.  Part of me > thinks a Raspberry would be better and have upgrade options in the > future as well.  I'm pretty sure I could have encryption on a Raspberry > NAS as well.  I'm not sure if a prebuilt NAS box has encryption or not. > > Hope for some good ideas tho.  I'd like to avoid buying something that > won't come close to serving even current needs or just plain doesn't work. > > Dale > > :-)  :-) Dale, DAS is direct attached storage. If your intention is to share the data with multiple devices for backup you will need to keep in mind that you will need a PC to share the data the DAS device is storing. In general, most DAS require some sort of HBA (some of these HBAs can be hundreds to thousands of dollars.) I've seen some eSata ones but they usually don't have stellar reviews. It's also getting harder to find eSata devices. In contrast NAS devices are designed to plug in to the network and be shared with multiple devices on the LAN right from the get-go. You are probably interested in a NAS, not a DAS. I have an aging ix4-300d NAS. The display has started crashing now but the device is still rock solid. However I'm in the same boat and have been researching options - I think for my case I will get a small cube case and mini-ITX board and roll my own Gentoo install. The cost may even be slightly cheaper as 4 bay NAS here are quite expensive where I am (with no drives installed) and building my own will be a bit cheaper and I can choose what drives to run in it. Vulnerabilities on devices like QNAP and Synology are very real and at least if you can roll your own you can keep that to a minimum (like an example not running a web browser to configure things.) Dan