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To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <492d8bf4-4b8d-f7f6-05d8-2473b6825fab@gmail.com> <6651f356-8831-1d49-6d1e-adbe9d337b74@charter.net> <234e7289-0372-64de-5a94-d1aa82c7d40b@charter.net> <288c83f0-70a5-98ec-b082-d575239f0c03@gmail.com> <0456c03c-8a4b-17b9-b062-e42580ed531f@gmail.com> <20181210221412.2097b809@digimed.co.uk> From: Dale Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=rdalek1967@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBFpEtdQBEADI51WaryP3FJlDfmCQx2aPQpSppEKxqWhCTA8KFEcOVFmIIfiFAeekqMMD mhUxgZTtlQh7dsNqha6ioaYDqGKTv7oeJlPJw4hmIMJX3WYVSOHlsJUNM2jpDIAFeEKfup/T zDzFpuU2Qtr/Y0ji35wHyOAZLRckeNk705oRvE9wqi6noTP15Gxmw/U6aMzEfvu+wGEfCjgs 9bERmu+CS75PZEaFAv8RnsXUv1UcvQ45jmk/8ni/ogxE2h53OIp6c/hOlgJkSVRQWPZZyKZw lDiSUKCtMXPMdZ9w0X6RltQxtIQXO0KxAKaAp+tnL8z+0piafF5uW4RIglhT922RXKxxdZyx SjRgtE4V1IPtUcwPAeqVUZw2P1b4pjfPv7tNtMoFsIiY0ZnT+ua4ps6KOUeocRPKAX14mZkL jt/sZM7aIKiwyoteshRgWNNkxh4OiSxGCRUKNQI8M42cRSidvJZ6SGZXM3WpV28RPyF7+0Ba 0stEQwBGNF8uxgytY9rOJ7obmIpEZKx1p3W1O1hadOjBo2110jMDirRXtktMDfBDvVKkOZ06 vLu16uZLb0O52euhl2dMcEI3ZoCAFTKtdwMITIDj1TcMBZar6+bcwOicSFFogOLHQLJZRO5q I5szOIYW7+c0yNqPRLT3Sq7HzDyuyTUjmPZSAcqOwzX8GwUFkwARAQABzRtEYWxlIDxyZGFs ZWsxOTY3QGdtYWlsLmNvbT7CwZQEEwEIAD4WIQSUDVlCt0m0Z/PsCaxgB5lCagHqugUCWkS1 1AIbIwUJCWYBgAULCQgHAgYVCAkKCwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRBgB5lCagHqurR7D/45/q20 vXdrJGxrkNphotmlBtTpNbVauu5A2NDv3E1Il6yqRBfh4Xw7xFuwhz9DqThuvByU6566vr0z 7oVCK33dxRm4WA7YaogRQZy4VVIbHdrksnh2f702CFllqtn5Y29M2JtXG5jiiL3aZNEhoyP9 eMtzLPGs56yZ3eMkz4U7DEmWCAUr8bbuXW+eq/A0V5djcFdHfmanuDZSxzg+cZTpVOLolS2b pmNsPTSMkJ2MDY2Kfdg3gPhSaawo2agQfgnf9E7vSm7z/rlk8bBUWcPAP/XTN9ndVwOO3x74 EQv/M4EiCTtNpw3yapVZI2NhA1wqW648D7RxIPD8Y3nkJVDS4x5g54xDe1IUFOtVUSDAh+vY wUJt7vgbCeRjyT8XbuGW9RokIos3ALNaPoq/FDNEqefbmop0CPRih6aLFHWT4YBA6xQjLJuP LSNvalNqE5mef0giCtnLxo/lkjnP9Sv+t/5VSHda5zkVuN0+2w46SbGvXIHRkSoSi6XH3ccq KayJC+oTqo4xf9J30c7CV4rEcYnJcnxMw0vcYmU3DwjGfKxuKcLHgPr9mDNWvhteroA5wNWw NzQ72yAj7rsZVUXCxZgiPldSH3SXZJ/Jo6E9JouzQgRb/I4Vy4jx0Yw8rJLDx/ha82fn+FVe cFbiodVV5UD0inw488IAAtJE+Zi0t87BTQRaRLXUARAA38iHcF7M7GnkS73dazdLBgz2YJsu fpix/N/x4CvoHMqTuwi4ASz1WroYjl3KajeH0DSybyPdEQ7nffxIUt48deT3j/rwsJkPRvCF BpmcwxErd/Mbq0BgikYxXvO68aEAs4jBDR26YtONfjobEfd+Juhxci9UN9vTOCgSPhY+dxHs MZ0gHRzvMnpM3o3+oht/XRZr05RQx83DvTIqWnjDQlCseYYlbFp+rFTZi7ro71ULDThfCE0p +f+IQ3zX0cRKOcJGtNRvyWH6PxmN4td6Q7gPHfAsFPLsCpg7nZwOejtAktPejtSEXlN6QOKv bmRQxNtzgMtjzJNNJW2NtBz0DIW394+9stchQRKLqH8n8GnB6tlkfPg4vgf/kq14QQSZcb0F M36wk+i1Hk+TWYWbOBoUw9+X941Pw1JnglJ3tzpBh+36+pdG02Lbm2v6SaZ69zkDfzJ2Sfhb E+KQLibLkiCOhuSDLDWUgUeb0lJ/0qlo3vcQMTBuG5eiWiwBkp4C+ACb1f1Akq0mFvim+gCJ qJOTu0IDK9DjKLKglA3Z6sbeepnXq8fxB2Mo/SFSYEsGqUu4MLxgwnPg7zi+rKg7MhqdiBBE fqugmNguCEYZjJrGCCzwuqPXAZAcyzEYTGFKwI6NdEZ6v8Xc3om9MJomB3y1uzG6K7T9ue5H aw/2aqEAEQEAAcLBfAQYAQgAJhYhBJQNWUK3SbRn8+wJrGAHmUJqAeq6BQJaRLXUAhsMBQkJ ZgGAAAoJEGAHmUJqAeq6/ykP/ib6xEHednaXvzZvvj854PB5ffBqKkphbf51g6pxPvFBWMwY E7Bu/kq8e3hkp3rzX42BjqiUmfEe2OyfZCabXLybP8i/QRkHTzD5nLoIYLeL+62N/WQFW1NU VhqdfQbMhphNgP1mvG2Ib5R6S+Fb+vkw776oq6jLwUBP/o6PPpp62GyvFvFb9ekxV9+sE4yG V3DTqURBY+aXfc/MTzlCXp4u4QzFW9odfcb/kb9f1m/gZbWGihAqeMd1HViXQoMzTx6IuP13 eQAkKj4FlA2QMzbEOOKO6fliSt1JweJoh0OLCEAM/3q+LaflMvvjhl9ht00IUT/ySj3/dZdf EdTpuUAtnC3A3flwgK/aetkkOhrkx9hx4SKn6UHtAl+eCqP1Mae+nWzkisBL0/hBPEz713md 5I+4Y4QjIokRiz/5l/TFwpGu26zmDfDUkZmxZR/iNCW0VAmZE2YdyRm3PYcFcVXuZ1f/ff0D us9xGsO8V6F5EIwx/9Y6AWQdW7PoKHA21ri93PoRgjv+QoOifXEkhJwTKg5k5b1Tr7h9eRU/ Se2XigPVODjrN9FRfkx/JxlJcCs/igGJS05BmiZNIIRDKBGdXy/Fj5HQB2q5v5DfvrLMNTwK Aa8pn/em1SKC/l9aV9ygpN+cQPKoQjGxPPaId/rwX+GVxKl2vakjHLPLQmm3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:54:19 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.9.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181210221412.2097b809@digimed.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 48b6a514-6367-4a4e-823b-30cc1265c5ff X-Archives-Hash: a093147aa0018a007dd8f6c14789c44d Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:33:10 -0500, Taiidan@gmx.com wrote: > >>> Not sure which country would be a reliable location though, I >>> wouldn't trust Western European countries either. >> USA is currently the best option since there have never been proven >> backdoors in made in usa hardware but plenty in chinese made hardware >> such as the recent motherboard hack chip scandal. > So that proves that US manufacturers are better at hiding their back > doors? > > Or is it a numbers game, there are a hell of a lot more systems made in > China, so the chances of a backdoor being discovered is higher. > > Either way, lack of evidence of insecurity is not proof of security. > > I think the best thing to do, trust none of them until proven secure.  Let people test them, try to hack into them and do other things to see if there is a backdoor or not.  The same with encryption.  One can say it is secure but until it is tested very hard for a significant amount of time, one never knows if it is or not.  Some security problems/holes don't show up for years.  Dale :-)  :-)