From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88164138359 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DD13E0984; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:30:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net (tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net [IPv6:2600:3c00:e000:1e9::8849]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6906E0957 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:30:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Contact-TNet-Consulting-Abuse-for-assistance by tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-3) with ESMTPSA id 06VGUJHN027510 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:30:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Local mail server To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <60f2cb96-0a2b-7701-6a8c-1f6646c64697@verizon.net> <5F213F71.4020402@youngman.org.uk> <16224a84-ac9f-360a-1e2d-dc04d57de307@verizon.net> From: Grant Taylor Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 10:30:19 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <16224a84-ac9f-360a-1e2d-dc04d57de307@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 54b4c8c5-0075-4d4f-8627-00b7eb07f364 X-Archives-Hash: a3be247e3be27210a13dd750a648c4e4 On 7/29/20 5:23 PM, james wrote: > Free static IPs? Sure. Sign up with Hurricane Electric for an IPv6 in IPv4 tunnel and request that they route a /56 to you. It's free. #hazFun > Note:: here in the US, it may be easier and better, to just purchase > an assignment, that renders them yours. Simply paying someone for IPs doesn't "render them yours" per say. > I'd be shocked if you do not have to pay somebody residual fees, > just like DNS. It is highly dependent on what you consider to be "residual fees". Does the circuit to connect you / your equipment to the Internet count? What about the power to run said equipment? Does infrastructure you already have and completely paying for mean that adding a new service (DNS) to it costs (more) money? Yes, there is annual (however it works out) rental on the domain name. But you can easily host your own DNS if you have infrastructure to do so on. My VPS provider offers no-additional-charge DNS services. Does that mean that it's free? I am paying them a monthly fee for other things. How you slice things can be quite tricky. > So sense there seems to be interest from several folks, > I'm all interested in how to do this, US centric. I think the simplest and most expedient is to get a Hurricane Electric IPv6-in-IPv4 tunnel. > Another quesiton. If you have (2) blocks of IP6 address, > can you use BGP4 (RFC 1771, 4271, 4632, 5678,5936 6198 etc ) and other > RFC based standards  to manage routing and such multipath needs? Conceptually? Sure. Minutia: I don't recall at the moment if the same version of the BGP protocol handles both IPv4 and IPv6. I think it does. But I need more caffeine and to check things to say for certain. Either way, I almost always see BGPv4 and BGPv6 neighbor sessions established independently. There is a fair bit more that needs to be done to support multi-path in addition to having a prefix. > Who enforces what carriers do with networking. Here > in the US, I'm pretty sure it's just up to the the > Carrier/ISP/bypass_Carrier/backhaul-transport company).... Yep. There is what any individual carrier will do and then there's what the consensus of the Internet will do. You can often get carriers to do more things than the Internet in general will do. Sometimes for a fee. Sometimes for free. It is completely dependent on the carrier. > Conglomerates with IP resources, pretty much do what they want, and they > are killing the standards based networking. If I'm incorrect, please > educated me, as I have not kept up in this space, since selling my ISP > more than (2) decades ago. Please elaborate on what you think the industry / conglomerates are doing that is killing the standards based networking. > The trump-china disputes are only accelerating open standards for > communications systems, including all things TCP/IP. Please elaborate. -- Grant. . . . unix || die