From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 037751395E2 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 19:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C48FE0CE4; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 19:33:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f46.google.com (mail-wm0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E91BE0C73 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 19:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f46.google.com with SMTP id t79so20946147wmt.0 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:33:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6cPLc6AjBS9i7Y0h+lXEa/jAvDWqxKiYPbGCazSy7vw=; b=ki/n+k6LYlGc0+k/DmMY89KtVrVItF4vrdl0b2tw6V35PsIACN4J8WZqiBOKmgEbiW 8/3UX9vijOlkqcAkfHdkbBx0iQvwxW0dmHXQ3o26HLVaHKcBwm8ef8wcFRR6O4kmyXxR kWNFd/EYZXGJTYsLnL7QnaNcB9Fn+Wf+ltN10/Mc/vu8U/YU3eyFYviknlLDjbqThHY0 qtRU28bcvu7eQ9wEP+fLlsd7J3IW4C/e74uIZuHXA1G/6YXrbrKeP3IwUoesIiw02ucg EdCIc54ztFreMWd7aRhqDqwQfZ9+LAjs0EMfslZ715Lw5+jc4ZQpKYLSA29YasOOxanm 7kAg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6cPLc6AjBS9i7Y0h+lXEa/jAvDWqxKiYPbGCazSy7vw=; b=Tw7HeEf/98Fn1iWO1t0QY2je784l6tN3G2LplRCT+DZWyexN5frU+xbp+bPxoyLguq 3iXbTHozobk68k+A9Vc5ydB3XJ+Kaf9lRttqIBg3auQ9UMzweKNsoqfyCMnDIC3OXOR8 LMXk5dqcWkIKmUSHmSHMhQLNQI+/jhAzy48g0w0oOLoymYz9sRz0BNbg5u4+AshQOsTq FjXk961IRPbzR5sIFNyf0CVWzAGjLK3f3ZZ7sUbydnwOnG9uXbJ4M7HUi6mknfUSK0L9 sQ40wJ36ECqYrKbAjBxgVQfRpcT0gZ2Fqk6Y40e7VI7IvZ0DCwEkCMyCa/cV97Lf9ifv XoDw== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvdayT22mARgu/ygPOZGHF5hu0Wm6K3QTcjr6Z2LdGnQV6x8nUdzh4R1SGXhgh7CUA== X-Received: by 10.28.67.69 with SMTP id q66mr5260424wma.22.1479238427482; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:33:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.20.0.40] ([196.212.62.210]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id jx8sm36292694wjc.2.2016.11.15.11.33.46 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:33:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gnome intrusion? To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <20161114233843.GA17594@bonus.content> <20161115173404.6045.1B7B6629@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> From: Alan McKinnon Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:32:04 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 9f203ccf-fa98-4315-8189-5ecd5677087f X-Archives-Hash: d528cd2d4545969a64ce9d840552fbb7 On 15/11/2016 21:23, Jorge Almeida wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Ian Zimmerman wrote: >> On 2016-11-14 23:52, Jorge Almeida wrote: >> >>> Good to know. I'm currently testing openbox without dbus-launch. No >>> problem yet. >> >> Do you _know_ a reason you need dbus, at all? > > No. > >> >> If you don't, you don't need it ;-) > > I would like to believe that. > >> >> Typically, a lot of GUI apps have dbus as a soft dependency for the sole >> purpose of avoiding multiple instances. So starting the app for the >> second time just activates (in some general sense) the old window. > > Seems harmless enough. But how did they manage to convince nearly > everybody that dbus is the best invention next to sliced bread? because dbus is actually a *good* thing for gui environments more than a simple window manager? Because ONE ipc mechanism - dbus - can replace a plethora of home-grown, half-baked ipc methods that in total consume far more resources than dbus? dbus is a message bus, that's all it is. Simple. light, easy, gets the job done in environments where lots of bits have to chat to each other. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com