[gentoo-user] preparing /dev/sda1 for gentoo install x86 handbook

[gentoo-user] preparing /dev/sda1 for gentoo install x86 handbook

[Jude DaShiell]

What's missing in those instructions is:
x
1
n
/boot
r
that's for the fdisk instructions.


-- 
 Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com>
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

Re: [gentoo-user] preparing /dev/sda1 for gentoo install x86 handbook

[Kévin GASPARD DE RENEFORT]

Hello,

such things are better to talk on the #gentoo-wiki@libera.chat, or in 
the discussion page of the page having something missing.

Thanks for reporting anything problematic tho, but your problem isn't 
elaborate enough as you written it IMHO to understand exactly what you 
are talking about.

Regards,
GASPARD DE RENEFORT Kévin

Le 31/05/2024 à 14:47, Jude DaShiell a écrit :
> What's missing in those instructions is:
> x
> 1
> n
> /boot
> r
> that's for the fdisk instructions.
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] preparing /dev/sda1 for gentoo install x86 handbook

[Jude DaShiell]

The problem with the handbook is /dev/sda1 is supposed to be named /boot
and the necessary fdisk instructions to do this are missing from that
section of the handbook.


--
 Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com>
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Fri, 31 May 2024, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> What's missing in those instructions is:
> x
> 1
> n
> /boot
> r
> that's for the fdisk instructions.
>
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] preparing /dev/sda1 for gentoo install x86 handbook

[Kévin GASPARD DE RENEFORT]

Is this not possible to go, as I said, on IRC or use the discussion page ?

This is not really the place for this topic, IMHO.

Regards,
GASPARD DE RENEFORT Kévin

Le 31/05/2024 à 15:27, Jude DaShiell a écrit :
> The problem with the handbook is /dev/sda1 is supposed to be named /boot
> and the necessary fdisk instructions to do this are missing from that
> section of the handbook.
>
>
> --
>   Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com>
>   "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>   soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
>   Please use in that order."
>   Ed Howdershelt 1940.
>
> On Fri, 31 May 2024, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
>> What's missing in those instructions is:
>> x
>> 1
>> n
>> /boot
>> r
>> that's for the fdisk instructions.
>>
>>
>>

[gentoo-user] Re: preparing /dev/sda1 for gentoo install x86 handbook

[Nuno Silva]

On 2024-05-31, Kévin GASPARD DE RENEFORT wrote:
>
> Le 31/05/2024 à 14:47, Jude DaShiell a écrit :
>> What's missing in those instructions is:
>> x
>> 1
>> n
>> /boot
>> r
>> that's for the fdisk instructions.
>
> such things are better to talk on the #gentoo-wiki@libera.chat, or in
> the discussion page of the page having something missing.

Not Bugzilla?

Although other venues (at least those from Gentoo, like this list)
should be acceptable to discuss problems too, I'd think *the* place to
go for issues with the documentation would be Bugzilla.

(Also, the above should at least make it clear somehow that it is over
IRC. If someone does not know about libera.chat, how would one
understand that indication?)

> Thanks for reporting anything problematic tho, but your problem isn't
> elaborate enough as you written it IMHO to understand exactly what you
> are talking about.
>
> Regards,
> GASPARD DE RENEFORT Kévin
>
>
>

-- 
Nuno Silva

[gentoo-user] Re: preparing /dev/sda1 for gentoo install x86 handbook

[Nuno Silva]

On 2024-05-31, Kévin GASPARD DE RENEFORT wrote:

> Is this not possible to go, as I said, on IRC or use the discussion page ?
>
> This is not really the place for this topic, IMHO.

Why not? This is a Gentoo mailing list. Do you mean it should instead be
brought up in the Gentoo Documentation Project mailing list?

-- 
Nuno Silva

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: preparing /dev/sda1 for gentoo install x86 handbook

[Jude DaShiell]

It went on irc.


--
 Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com>
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Fri, 31 May 2024, Nuno Silva wrote:

> On 2024-05-31, Kévin GASPARD DE RENEFORT wrote:
>
> > Is this not possible to go, as I said, on IRC or use the discussion page ?
> >
> > This is not really the place for this topic, IMHO.
>
> Why not? This is a Gentoo mailing list. Do you mean it should instead be
> brought up in the Gentoo Documentation Project mailing list?
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: preparing /dev/sda1 for gentoo install x86 handbook

[Wol]

On 31/05/2024 16:26, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2024-05-31, Kévin GASPARD DE RENEFORT wrote:
> 
>> Is this not possible to go, as I said, on IRC or use the discussion page ?
>>
>> This is not really the place for this topic, IMHO.
> 
> Why not? This is a Gentoo mailing list. Do you mean it should instead be
> brought up in the Gentoo Documentation Project mailing list?
> 
That was my sort-of reaction, but for somewhat different reasons. We 
have a regular poster on the list posting something a little bit weird, 
and then we have someone I've never seen on the list before, posting a 
moderator-like message.

Seriously? Some complete stranger to the list, telling off a regular for 
posting something weird?

I've got news for you, there are quite a few weirdos on the list, but it 
adds spice!

Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: preparing /dev/sda1 for gentoo install x86 handbook

[Kévin GASPARD DE RENEFORT]

Hello,

This was not a "moderator" like answer, more an advice: Since I started 
to translate some pages in French for the Wiki of Gentoo, I've already 
asked why IRC and not somewhere else, as **the mailing-list** dedicated 
to it. I do not link the oblivion that is an IRC channel, to be honest.

Somehow, it's (wiki's ML) unused, and more "regular" peoples, doing 
wiki's works since a while now, told me that… they do it on two places:

- #gentoo-wiki@libera.chat

- Each discussion page for each dedicated subject.

I'm not on the #gentoo-wiki channel to explain how to do things at these 
contributors… doing it since years, or decade(s). I'm here to participate.

"Some complete" stranger to the list is happy to present himself: 
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Kgdrenefort

Joke aside, I just wanted to be nice and redirect another user to 
somewhere which could be, maybe, a better place to talk about it :).

Regards,
GASPARD DE RENEFORT Kévin

Le 01/06/2024 à 22:15, Wol a écrit :
> On 31/05/2024 16:26, Nuno Silva wrote:
>> On 2024-05-31, Kévin GASPARD DE RENEFORT wrote:
>>
>>> Is this not possible to go, as I said, on IRC or use the discussion 
>>> page ?
>>>
>>> This is not really the place for this topic, IMHO.
>>
>> Why not? This is a Gentoo mailing list. Do you mean it should instead be
>> brought up in the Gentoo Documentation Project mailing list?
>>
> That was my sort-of reaction, but for somewhat different reasons. We 
> have a regular poster on the list posting something a little bit 
> weird, and then we have someone I've never seen on the list before, 
> posting a moderator-like message.
>
> Seriously? Some complete stranger to the list, telling off a regular 
> for posting something weird?
>
> I've got news for you, there are quite a few weirdos on the list, but 
> it adds spice!
>
> Cheers,
> Wol
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: preparing /dev/sda1 for gentoo install x86 handbook

[Mark Knecht]

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On Sat, Jun 1, 2024 at 1:16 PM Wol <antlists@youngman.org.uk> wrote:
> I've got news for you, there are quite a few weirdos on the list, but it
> adds spice!
>
Ah! I feel so at home!

Thanks Wol!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: preparing /dev/sda1 for gentoo install x86 handbook

[Dale]

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Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 1, 2024 at 1:16 PM Wol <antlists@youngman.org.uk
> <mailto:antlists@youngman.org.uk>> wrote:
> > I've got news for you, there are quite a few weirdos on the list, but it
> > adds spice!
> >
> Ah! I feel so at home!
>
> Thanks Wol!


+1.  I've been told I was weird all my life.  I kinda take offense when
someone says I'm not weird now.  ROFL 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

P. S.  On the subject of threads and Gentoo related.  I've decided to
use my credit card and buy the mobo, CPU and memory.  So, I'm going
through info that others posted in earlier threads and I'm about ready
to pull all my hair out.  To be blunt, none of the mobos are worth half
the price they want to charge.  I just watched a video of a guy ranting
about the exact same thing I'm thinking.  Make it flashy, use obscure
language to make something old sound new and raise the price to the
sky.  Oh, also put stuff on the mobo that should be handled with a PCIe
card, for those few who want that feature.  Don't forget, raise the
price some more for something the buyer doesn't want and intends to
disable at first boot up.  I realize this is basically a text only
mailing list.  Imagine a emoji thingy that is red from anger and very
frustrated.  I used to love to pick parts to build a system.  Now, I
just want it to be over with so I can end my misery.  It went from being
fun to being something akin to digging up a plugged sewer line, that you
know is going to spray you with some nasty stuff.  :-@

Expect another thread on this.  Whenever I get done letting the steam
escape from my eyes and ears. 

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[gentoo-user] Re: preparing /dev/sda1 for gentoo install x86 handbook

[Grant Edwards]

On 2024-06-01, Wol <antlists@youngman.org.uk> wrote:

> I've got news for you, there are quite a few weirdos on the list,

Hey! I resemble that remark.

[Hmm. That's not as funny in print.]

[gentoo-user] Re: preparing /dev/sda1 for gentoo install x86 handbook

[Nuno Silva]

On 2024-06-01, Kévin GASPARD DE RENEFORT wrote:
> Le 01/06/2024 à 22:15, Wol a écrit :
>> On 31/05/2024 16:26, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-31, Kévin GASPARD DE RENEFORT wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is this not possible to go, as I said, on IRC or use the
>>>> discussion page ?
>>>>
>>>> This is not really the place for this topic, IMHO.
>>>
>>> Why not? This is a Gentoo mailing list. Do you mean it should instead be
>>> brought up in the Gentoo Documentation Project mailing list?
>>>
>> That was my sort-of reaction, but for somewhat different reasons. We
>> have a regular poster on the list posting something a little bit
>> weird, and then we have someone I've never seen on the list before,
>> posting a moderator-like message.
>>
>> Seriously? Some complete stranger to the list, telling off a regular
>> for posting something weird?
>>
>> I've got news for you, there are quite a few weirdos on the list,
>> but it adds spice!
>
> This was not a "moderator" like answer, more an advice: Since I
> started to translate some pages in French for the Wiki of Gentoo, I've
> already asked why IRC and not somewhere else, as **the mailing-list**
> dedicated to it. I do not link the oblivion that is an IRC channel, to
> be honest.

I don't find IRC inappropriate, and I myself use it extensively,
although I'm only on (counts) three #gentoo- channels at the moment?

What I found inappropriate was the confluence of 1) saying "this is not
really the place for this topic", and 2) when suggesting places to
discuss this, completely ignore Gentoo's bug tracker.

Some people may prefer one method of communication to the other, and one
thing that has perhaps been lacking in Gentoo is more people reading the
mailing list, which might allow finding out about (and acting on) some
issues sooner.

I completely understand some might not like mailing lists, even despite
their flexibility compared to many other poor and heavy venues that
appear to be "in" or "cool" nowadays. (I'm reading and posting via
network news, using a client of my choosing, that can work on X11,
terminal emulators and terminals, and I end up with styling that I can
easily control. (This is also an advantage of IRC, of course.))

One of the things I dislike, relatively to the other Gentoo venues and
the previous Gentoo documentation system, is the wiki. Maybe it gets
more participation this way, but it should at least not try to exclude
people even more than it already does. Directing people to talk pages
can do that. But that's personal preference, and I'll probably keep
using the other venues, just like I don't use Github to contribute to
Gentoo (nowadays that one is getting even harder to use without JS, and
even with JS it starts requiring newer features and syntax that only few
browsers support...).

> Somehow, it's (wiki's ML) unused, and more "regular" peoples, doing
> wiki's works since a while now, told me that… they do it on two
> places:
>
> - #gentoo-wiki@libera.chat

How consistent is handling of IRC URLs nowadays? Would it be possible to
point people to

    irc://libera.chat/%23gentoo-wiki

(or ircs:), or would that fail?

> - Each discussion page for each dedicated subject.
>
> I'm not on the #gentoo-wiki channel to explain how to do things at
> these contributors… doing it since years, or decade(s). I'm here to
> participate.
>
> "Some complete" stranger to the list is happy to present himself:
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Kgdrenefort
>
> Joke aside, I just wanted to be nice and redirect another user to
> somewhere which could be, maybe, a better place to talk about it :).

(Well, one request I have is to please don't top-post in this
list. That's not the common style in this list, and tends to be an
approach mostly from the Microsoft and business worlds.)

(As for the "redirecting" part, another wording would probably have been
happier, such as asking if the poster could access IRC in the hopes of
it being handled more quickly there, instead of presenting these two as
possibly the only venues. That's just it, I guess the words weren't well
received, at least in my case.)

-- 
Nuno Silva

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: preparing /dev/sda1 for gentoo install x86 handbook

[Peter Humphrey]

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On Sunday, 2 June 2024 01:54:08 BST Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2024-06-01, Wol <antlists@youngman.org.uk> wrote:
> > I've got news for you, there are quite a few weirdos on the list,
> 
> Hey! I resemble that remark.

Hey! Are you pinching my joke?

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: preparing /dev/sda1 for gentoo install x86 handbook

[Dale]

Nuno Silva wrote:
> Some people may prefer one method of communication to the other, and one
> thing that has perhaps been lacking in Gentoo is more people reading the
> mailing list, which might allow finding out about (and acting on) some
> issues sooner.

I agree with this.  I subscribe to the -dev mailing list for that
reason.  I see news items that are coming before they even available
elsewhere.  I just saw one on texlive having file collisions where you
must uninstall it first, then install the new version.  Having a heads
up that something outside the norm is coming can be handy. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: preparing /dev/sda1 for gentoo install x86 handbook

[Waldo Lemmer]

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On Sun, Jun 2, 2024, 13:28 Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@ist.utl.pt> wrote:

> (Well, one request I have is to please don't top-post in this
> list. That's not the common style in this list, and tends to be an
> approach mostly from the Microsoft and business worlds.)
>

Top-posting is the default in Gmail, and there's no intuitive way to avoid
doing it in the Gmail app.

By default, quoted text is hidden behind three dots. After expanding those
three dots, attempting to append text to the bottom results in that text
being included as part of the quoted text. To avoid that, the quoted text
first needs to be modified in some way. That allows a newline at the end to
escape out of the quoted portion.

Finally, the two empty lines before the quoted text should be removed.

Waldo

>

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