From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IxjFE-0004D9-0Y for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:15:56 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.2/8.14.0) with SMTP id lATDEfPg022863; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:14:41 GMT Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.2/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lATDAVoN018092 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:10:31 GMT Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so4031333pyb for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:10:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=UNOcsZc0VWESlLRS+2tdBqzKtTV8HsMs6gVB1bMnOeY=; b=CHx/Td6fQiPnieeGIaVuGcpROyw1c+UmapLRTLn8Gj8A+z8hyqEFr0mEsZxLq9Mq5rOPcob8ppDeAR819mryrbc/253tz/Sm1xdUNA+N+g/Dp75A/kJuTzaNnwnGfq7PpnlL2a2dOlbUAVZfwFF+A8Q3Qn+HCxs4Ef58DlThjBc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=YDkIC2HJsWO6X10oj7ZPUJlZXTqwsd3p1cYEcm8wPRgARYgdPMlkwSR3IalE/q0Kg7gyrYDanW1FOACJmFCVxGKc9+d5GESVTO1/je+3VRqpenxNNIOw8rbtp1tD/DOPtT8NXkCs8dK0lElqbLFX4oobtozbYShffVmXL2gldM8= Received: by 10.65.93.19 with SMTP id v19mr15252990qbl.1196341830589; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:10:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.184.17 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:10:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:10:30 -0300 From: "Rafael Barrera Oro" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo on the server side In-Reply-To: <474E48D2.8060606@gonoph.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9847_19004673.1196341830578" References: <642958cc0711281345j48779db4v59cc0a60050512f3@mail.gmail.com> <474DE646.50708@robertspahr.com> <474E48D2.8060606@gonoph.net> X-Archives-Salt: af7483d2-f1c0-4fb5-9468-2b5cec697184 X-Archives-Hash: d7ac40e5763a88de55247c435dc337d8 ------=_Part_9847_19004673.1196341830578 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline First of all, thanks to everybody for sharing your experiences, very helpful information indeed, specially now that i need some guidance. For now, the conclusion i can reach is that Gentoo is perfectly adequate to use on a server with the only downside of the need to have special care with updates. Ricardo, i find really encouraging the fact that your lab uses Gentoo for their servers. Nevertheless it would be great if you could tell us a little about your lab's experience with updates, which seems to be the only issue when using Gentoo on a server. Another thing i noticed is that some of you recommend to have a secondary server to perform tests, i totally agree with this. Unfortunately i do not think that having such thing will be possible since the server will be charged to a client and i do not think they will agree to buy a second server (even if its the right thing to do, which i believe so), in such case, would you still recommend Gentoo?. Again, thanks to everybody for the information. 2007/11/29, Billy Holmes : > > Robert Spahr wrote: > > I have been running these gentoo servers since 2003, with very few > > problems. Although I am conservative in doing my updates. > > > > I've run gentoo on several servers from dual intels running dns, squid, > routing, to web servers, to quad opterons running as terminal servers. > > The secret to all of that is what Robert said.. update conservatively. > > The update from apache 1.x to 2.x broke some things (good idea to follow > the update faqs, or as I did, rebuild the config files by hand), as did > when the gentoo apache package managers decided to change the config > file layout to better match other distros. > > Also, beware of some of the library updates. They can break other things > that revdep-rebuild will have to fix. > > It's a good idea to look up via google or whatever to figure out what's > being updated and why (read the changelog). > > It will take a bit to get used to, but after awhile you'll just eyeball > it and know which packages are non-issues, and which should be looked > closely. > > It's also a good idea to have a staging server where you can test the > updates and trash it if you need to (virtualization will help with this > a lot). > > Also, some updates don't fully manifest themselves till you restart all > the processes or restart the machine. Processes that were running before > a library update still have an internal image of the previous version's > library. > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > ------=_Part_9847_19004673.1196341830578 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline    First of all, thanks to everybody for sharing your experiences, very helpful information indeed, specially now that i need some guidance.
   For now, the conclusion i can reach is that Gentoo is perfectly adequate to use on a server with the only downside of the need to have special care with updates.
   Ricardo, i find really encouraging the fact that your lab uses Gentoo for their servers. Nevertheless it would be great if you could tell us a little about your lab's experience with updates, which seems to be the only issue when using Gentoo on a server.
   Another thing i noticed is that some of you recommend to have a secondary server to perform tests, i totally agree with this. Unfortunately i do not think that having such thing will be possible since the server will be charged to a client and i do not think they will agree to buy a second server (even if its the right thing to do, which i believe so), in such case, would you still recommend Gentoo?.

Again, thanks to everybody for the information.

2007/11/29, Billy Holmes <billy@gonoph.net>:
Robert Spahr wrote:
> I have been running these gentoo servers since 2003, with very few
> problems. Although I am conservative in doing my updates.
>

I've run gentoo on several servers from dual intels running dns, squid,
routing, to web servers, to quad opterons running as terminal servers.

The secret to all of that is what Robert said.. update conservatively.

The update from apache 1.x to 2.x broke some things (good idea to follow
the update faqs, or as I did, rebuild the config files by hand), as did
when the gentoo apache package managers decided to change the config
file layout to better match other distros.

Also, beware of some of the library updates. They can break other things
that revdep-rebuild will have to fix.

It's a good idea to look up via google or whatever to figure out what's
being updated and why (read the changelog).

It will take a bit to get used to, but after awhile you'll just eyeball
it and know which packages are non-issues, and which should be looked
closely.

It's also a good idea to have a staging server where you can test the
updates and trash it if you need to (virtualization will help with this
a lot).

Also, some updates don't fully manifest themselves till you restart all
the processes or restart the machine. Processes that were running before
a library update still have an internal image of the previous version's
library.
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