[gentoo-user] Installation and reinstallation of the same binary packages

[gentoo-user] Installation and reinstallation of the same binary packages

[Jacques Montier]

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Hello everybody

On one of my disks, I have a Gentoo installation where, for testing, I
switched to binary packages :
emerge -auvDN --getbinpkgonly --with-bdeps=y --binpkg-respect-use=y
--keep-going world.
Now, with every emerge world, I am being asked to compile and reinstall the
same binaries again.

[binary   R    ] dev-lang/spidermonkey-115.16.0-r1-16:115::gentoo  USE="jit
-clang -debug -lto -test" LLVM_SLOT="18" 0 KiB
[binary   R    ] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-6.12.16-1:6.12.16::gentoo
 USE="-build -experimental -symlink" 0 KiB

Where could this be coming from? Thank you for your responses.

Regards,

--
Jacques

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Re: [gentoo-user] Installation and reinstallation of the same binary packages

[Dale]

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Jacques Montier wrote:
> Hello everybody
>
> On one of my disks, I have a Gentoo installation where, for testing, I
> switched to binary packages :
> emerge -auvDN --getbinpkgonly --with-bdeps=y --binpkg-respect-use=y
> --keep-going world.
> Now, with every emerge world, I am being asked to compile and
> reinstall the same binaries again.
>
> [binary   R    ] dev-lang/spidermonkey-115.16.0-r1-16:115::gentoo
>  USE="jit -clang -debug -lto -test" LLVM_SLOT="18" 0 KiB
> [binary   R    ] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-6.12.16-1:6.12.16::gentoo
>  USE="-build -experimental -symlink" 0 KiB
>
> Where could this be coming from? Thank you for your responses.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Jacques
> /
> /
> /
> /


I would try adding the -t option.  See if that gives you any clues. 
Since no one else has any ideas, it would be what I would try. 

Hope that helps. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Installation and reinstallation of the same binary packages

[netfab]

Hi,

Le 12/03/25 à 11:49, Jacques Montier a tapoté :
> Now, with every emerge world, [...]

Please post the command your are using, and also the whole output from
emerge. Adding the --tree option to the emerge command could also be
useful.

Re: [gentoo-user] Installation and reinstallation of the same binary packages

[Jacques Montier]

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Le jeu. 13 mars 2025 à 10:33, netfab <netbox253@netc.eu> a écrit :

>
> Hi,
>
> Le 12/03/25 à 11:49, Jacques Montier a tapoté :
> > Now, with every emerge world, [...]
>
> Please post the command your are using, and also the whole output from
> emerge. Adding the --tree option to the emerge command could also be
> useful.
>
>
>
>
Thanks for your responses.
All the commands and ouput in the attached file.

Cheers,

--
Jacques

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1 #emerge --sync
2 #emerge -auvDN --getbinpkgonly --tree --with-bdeps=y --binpkg-respect-use=y --keep-going world

[nomerge       ] x11-themes/gnome-backgrounds-46.0::gentoo 
[nomerge       ]  dev-build/meson-format-array-0::gentoo  PYTHON_TARGETS="python3_12 -python3_10 -python3_11 -python3_13" 
[nomerge       ]   dev-lang/python-3.12.9:3.12::gentoo  USE="bluetooth ensurepip gdbm ncurses readline sqlite ssl -build -debug -examples -libedit -pgo -test -tk -valgrind -verify-sig" 
[nomerge       ]    net-wireless/bluez-5.79:0/3::gentoo  USE="cups mesh obex readline systemd udev -btpclient -debug -deprecated -doc -experimental -extra-tools -man -midi (-selinux) -test -test-programs" ABI_X86="32 (64) (-x32)" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python3_12 -python3_10 -python3_11 -python3_13" 
[nomerge       ]     dev-build/libtool-2.5.4:2::gentoo  USE="-vanilla" 
[nomerge       ]      dev-build/automake-1.17-r1:1.17::gentoo  USE="-test -verify-sig" 
[nomerge       ]       dev-lang/perl-5.40.0-r1:0/5.40::gentoo  USE="gdbm -berkdb -doc -minimal" PERL_FEATURES="(-debug) -ithreads -quadmath" 
[nomerge       ]        app-admin/perl-cleaner-2.31-r2::gentoo  USE="-pkgcore" 
[nomerge       ]         sys-apps/portage-3.0.67::gentoo  USE="(ipc) native-extensions rsync-verify xattr -apidoc -build -doc -gentoo-dev (-selinux) -test" PYTHON_TARGETS="python3_12 (-pypy3) (-pypy3_11) -python3_10 -python3_11 -python3_13" 
[nomerge       ]          app-crypt/gnupg-2.4.7-r1::gentoo  USE="bzip2 nls readline smartcard ssl tofu usb -doc -ldap (-selinux) -test -tools -tpm -user-socket -verify-sig -wks-server" 
[nomerge       ]           app-crypt/pinentry-1.3.1-r1::gentoo  USE="X gtk ncurses qt6 wayland -caps -efl -emacs -keyring -verify-sig" 
[nomerge       ]            app-crypt/gcr-4.2.1:4/gcr-4.4-gck-2.2::gentoo  USE="gtk introspection systemd vala -gtk-doc -test" 
[nomerge       ]             gui-libs/gtk-4.14.4-r1:4::gentoo  USE="X cups introspection wayland (-aqua) -broadway -cloudproviders -colord -examples -gstreamer -sysprof -test (-vulkan)" CPU_FLAGS_X86="-f16c" 
[nomerge       ]              media-libs/mesa-24.3.4-r1::gentoo  USE="X llvm (opengl) proprietary-codecs vulkan wayland zstd -d3d9 -debug -lm-sensors -opencl -osmesa (-selinux) -test -unwind -vaapi -valgrind -vdpau -xa" ABI_X86="32 (64) (-x32)" CPU_FLAGS_X86="sse2" LLVM_SLOT="19 -15 -16 -17 -18" VIDEO_CARDS="-d3d12 (-freedreno) -intel -lavapipe (-lima) -nouveau -nvk (-panfrost) -r300 -r600 -radeon -radeonsi (-v3d) (-vc4) -virgl (-vivante) -vmware -zink" 
[nomerge       ]               dev-util/spirv-tools-1.4.304.0::gentoo  ABI_X86="32 (64) (-x32)" 
[binary     UD ]                dev-util/spirv-headers-1.4.304.0-1::gentoo [1.4.304.0-r1::gentoo] 0 KiB
[binary   R    ] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-6.12.16-1:6.12.16::gentoo  USE="-build -experimental -symlink" 0 KiB
[binary   R    ] dev-lang/spidermonkey-115.16.0-r1-16:115::gentoo  USE="jit -clang -debug -lto -test" LLVM_SLOT="18" 0 KiB

3 #YES .... Compiling
...................
...................

4 #emerge -auvDN --getbinpkgonly --tree --with-bdeps=y --binpkg-respect-use=y --keep-going world

[binary   R    ] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-6.12.16-1:6.12.16::gentoo  USE="-build -experimental -symlink" 0 KiB
[binary   R    ] dev-lang/spidermonkey-115.16.0-r1-16:115::gentoo  USE="jit -clang -debug -lto -test" LLVM_SLOT="18" 0 KiB

Re: [gentoo-user] Installation and reinstallation of the same binary packages

[Dale]

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Jacques Montier wrote:
> Le jeu. 13 mars 2025 à 10:33, netfab <netbox253@netc.eu
> <mailto:netbox253@netc.eu>> a écrit :
>
>
>     Hi,
>
>     Le 12/03/25 à 11:49, Jacques Montier a tapoté :
>     > Now, with every emerge world, [...]
>
>     Please post the command your are using, and also the whole output from
>     emerge. Adding the --tree option to the emerge command could also be
>     useful.
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for your responses.
> All the commands and ouput in the attached file.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Jacques
>  


If I'm reading this right, sometimes my emerge output decryption tool
doesn't work well, I'd look into dev-util/spirv-headers and see what it
has going on.  I'd run the following. 

equery list -p dev-util/spirv-headers

That should list all versions of the package.  See if something is
masked/keyworded either by the devs or by you.  It could be that it
really needs a newer version that is masked or that a newer version is
unmasked and shouldn't be because of other packages it depends on.  You
may be able to figure that out yourself but if not, post what it says. 

Someone else with a better decryption thought process may have a better
idea. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Installation and reinstallation of the same binary packages

[Jacques Montier]

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Le jeu. 13 mars 2025 à 19:34, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> a écrit :

> Jacques Montier wrote:
>
> Le jeu. 13 mars 2025 à 10:33, netfab <netbox253@netc.eu> a écrit :
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Le 12/03/25 à 11:49, Jacques Montier a tapoté :
>> > Now, with every emerge world, [...]
>>
>> Please post the command your are using, and also the whole output from
>> emerge. Adding the --tree option to the emerge command could also be
>> useful.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Thanks for your responses.
> All the commands and ouput in the attached file.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Jacques
>
>
>
>
> If I'm reading this right, sometimes my emerge output decryption tool
> doesn't work well, I'd look into dev-util/spirv-headers and see what it has
> going on.  I'd run the following.
>
> equery list -p dev-util/spirv-headers
>
> That should list all versions of the package.  See if something is
> masked/keyworded either by the devs or by you.  It could be that it really
> needs a newer version that is masked or that a newer version is unmasked
> and shouldn't be because of other packages it depends on.  You may be able
> to figure that out yourself but if not, post what it says.
>
> Someone else with a better decryption thought process may have a better
> idea.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>


Hello,

It's a real mess.
Some day, it's ok, another day 160 sourced packages to compile and so on...
So i give up and go back to my classical mixed sources/binary Gentoo
packages.
May be it could work with Gentoo installation from scratch... Don't know.

Nevertheless, thank you for trying to help me.

Cheers,

--
Jacques

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Re: [gentoo-user] Installation and reinstallation of the same binary packages

[Peter Humphrey]

On Saturday, 15 March 2025 13:53:20 Greenwich Mean Time Jacques Montier wrote:

> It's a real mess.
> Some day, it's ok, another day 160 sourced packages to compile and so on...
> So i give up and go back to my classical mixed sources/binary Gentoo
> packages.
> May be it could work with Gentoo installation from scratch... Don't know.

[Apologies if this amounts to hijacking the thread...]

The other day portage wanted to upgrade quite a number of packages: some from 
source and some from Gentoo binpkgs. Rather than laboriously picking out just 
the binpkgs by hand, I told portage to upgrade -K. It wanted to update 246 
packages!

It seems that, if a more recent package exists, it will be remerged willy-
nilly, whether it's a real upgrade or not.

I hope portage isn't meant to work this way...

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Installation and reinstallation of the same binary packages

[Jacques Montier]

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Le sam. 15 mars 2025 à 16:45, Peter Humphrey <peter@prh.myzen.co.uk> a
écrit :

> On Saturday, 15 March 2025 13:53:20 Greenwich Mean Time Jacques Montier
> wrote:
>
> > It's a real mess.
> > Some day, it's ok, another day 160 sourced packages to compile and so
> on...
> > So i give up and go back to my classical mixed sources/binary Gentoo
> > packages.
> > May be it could work with Gentoo installation from scratch... Don't know.
>
> [Apologies if this amounts to hijacking the thread...]
>
> The other day portage wanted to upgrade quite a number of packages: some
> from
> source and some from Gentoo binpkgs. Rather than laboriously picking out
> just
> the binpkgs by hand, I told portage to upgrade -K. It wanted to update 246
> packages!
>
> It seems that, if a more recent package exists, it will be remerged willy-
> nilly, whether it's a real upgrade or not.
>
> I hope portage isn't meant to work this way...
>
> --
> Regards,
> Peter.
>
>
> I admit that I was surprised by the behavior of the --getbinpkgonly option
> in an already installed system that had a mix of sources and binaries.

By keeping only the --getbinpkg option, everything returned to normal. I
> probably didn't understand everything... 🤔
>
> Regards,

--
Jacques

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