Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > Am Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 01:18:39PM -0400 schrieb Rich Freeman: >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 9:33 AM Dale wrote: >>> Rich Freeman wrote: >>> >>>> All AM5 CPUs have GPUs, but in general motherboards with video outputs >>>> do not require the CPU to have a GPU built in. The ports just don't >>>> do anything if this is lacking, and you would need a dedicated GPU. >>>> >>> OK. I read that a few times. If I want to use the onboard video I have >>> to have a certain CPU that supports it? Do those have something so I >>> know which is which? Or do I read that as all the CPUs support onboard >>> video but if one plugs in a video card, that part of the CPU isn't >>> used? The last one makes more sense but asking to be sure. >> To use onboard graphics, you need a motherboard that supports it, and >> a CPU that supports it. I believe that internal graphics and an >> external GPU card can both be used at the same time. Note that >> internal graphics solutions typically steal some RAM from other system >> use, while an external GPU will have its own dedicated RAM (and those >> can also make use of internal RAM too). > You can usually set the amount of graphics memory in the BIOS, depending on > your need and RAM budget. > >> The 7600X has a built-in RDNA2 GPU. All the original Ryzen zen4 CPUs >> had GPU support, but it looks like they JUST announced a new line of >> consumer zen4 CPUs that don't have it - they all end in an F right >> now. > Yup. > G-series: big graphics for games n stuff, over 3 GFlops > F-Series: no graphics at all > rest: small graphics (around 0.8 GFlops max), ample for desktops and media > > X-Series: high performance > non-X: same as X, but with lower frequencies > > The X series are boosted to higher frequencies which give you a bit more > performance, but at the cost of disproportionally increased power > consumption and thus heat. They are simply run above the sweet spot in order > to get the longest bargraph in benchmarks. You can “simulate” a non-X by > running an X at a lower power target which can be set in the BIOS. In fact > once I have a Ryzen, I thing I might limit its frequency to a bit below > maximum just to avoid this inefficient region. > > But I’ll be buying a G anyways. Its architecture is different, as it is > basically a mobile chip in a desktop package. > > As to the qestion about 5/7/9 in the other mail: it’s just a tier number. > The more interesting is the 4-digit number. 600s and below are 6-core chips, > 700 and 800 have 8 cores, 900s have 12 cores or more. > > The thousands give away the generation. AM5 is denoted by 7xxx. (Though > there is another numbering scheme that does it quite differently, like > 7845H.) Good info.  Clears up a little muddy water.  >> In any case, if you google the CPU you're looking at it will tell you >> if it supports integrated graphics. > I also recommend Wikipedia. It has tables of all kinds of stuff. Including > all processors and their core features. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_4 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Ryzen_processors > >> If you don't play games, then definitely get integrated graphics. >> Even if the CPU costs a tiny bit more, it will give you a free empty >> 16x PCIe slot at whatever speed the CPU supports (v5 in this case - >> which is as good as you can get right now). > Not to mention a cut in power draw. > >>> I might add, simply right clicking on the desktop can take sometimes 20 >>> or 30 seconds for the menu to pop up. Switching from one desktop to >>> another can take several seconds, sometimes 8 or 10. This rig is >>> getting slower. > Wut. I am running plasma 6 on a Surface Go 1 whose Pentium Gold was slow > even when it came out. It is half as fast as your 8350 and does not have > such problems. > Benchmark FX 8350: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?id=1780 > Benchmark Pentium Gold: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?id=3300 > > You have NVidia, right? Did you try the other graphics driver (i.e. > proprietary ←→ foss)? Do those delays disappear if you disable 3D effects > with Shift+Alt+F12? > I do have Nvidia and I use the Nvidia drivers.  Thought about using the ones in the kernel but just never did.  I don't think it is the video card tho.  I think some of it is all the hard drives I have installed and that they are busy.  I run torrent software all the time.  It stays very busy.  I actually set the connection speed to a little lower so that I have some network speed that isn't being used so that when I do something, I get some network bandwidth.  Plus, there's that growing software problem that always exists.  Software rarely shrinks.  >> That sounds like RAM but I couldn't say for sure. In any case a >> modern system will definitely help. > Well, is the RAM full? My 10 years old PC has 32 Gigs and still runs very > smooth (with Intel integrated graphics). > Generally, I use about 20 to 25GBs of RAM.  Mostly, Seamonkey, Firefox and the torrent software.  >>> Given the new rig can have 128GBs, I assume it comes in 32GB sticks. >> Consumer DDR5 seems to come as large as 48GB, though that seems like >> an odd size. > Actually, my product search page finds sticks with up to 96 GB. I believe > the 48 size was introduced because for those to whom 32 was too small, 64 > was too expensive. DDR5 still is relatively pricey due to its higher > electrical requirements. > > -- Grüße | Greetings | Salut | Qapla’ Please do not share anything > from, with or about me on any social network. It’s quiet in the > shadow, because you can’t hear the light. Either way, the age of my current rig is a big reason I want to build a new one.  It's getting a lot of gray hairs.  Dale :-)  :-)