Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

[Corbin <corbinbird@charter.net>]

On 12/10/2017 11:31 PM, R0b0t1 wrote:
> Against my better judgement,
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Up to a point, the same can be said about systemd; although many of its
>> programs can be and are used by end users, most of it is for distro
>> builders, programmers and administrators. And having a couple of Gentoo
>> boxes running Apache doesn't make anyone an administrator, BTW.
>>
> I have met Gentoo users who maintain, for fun, far more complex and
> capable systems than some system administrators who are paid for their
> work. There is no reason you are any more credible than a random
> mailing list user.
>
>> That's why most of Gentoo systemd users (and we are *a lot*; Gentoo has
>> great systemd support with several Gentoo devs collaborating with the
>> project) usually just ignore this kind of threads. Most of the time is a lot
>> of people which don't use it badmouthing a really cool piece of technology
>> that has been adopted by all large (and heavily used) Linux distributions
>> because the people that understand its technical merits realize that, for
>> the *general case*, its benefits outweigh whatever costs (in many cases
>> imaginary) it may have. And besides, for us it just works™, quietly running
>> in the background.
>>
> If you are saying this then you are choosing to ignore the technical
> arguments against systemd. You can claim you don't care and that is
> fine, but you've ignored what people are talking about and have
> injected your opinion into the discussion with a false air of
> superiority.
>
> The complaints in this thread may be a little extreme, but ultimately
> I agree these closely connected binary systems are not easily
> maintainable and are opaque to users.
>
> Cheers,
>      R0b0t1
>
@R0b0t1

Agreed.

The phase "single point of failure" comes to mind.

In the past I have been forced to reload systems using "systemd" because
I was unable to figure out how to fix "systemd" init problems.

If the system uses ( SysV, OpenRC, BSD / Slackware ) type init, it is
not a major problem to fix.

Corbin