From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CEA6158043 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2024 13:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 48D96E29F4; Mon, 15 Apr 2024 13:31:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (prime256v1) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7636CE29ED for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2024 13:31:42 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1713187896; x=1713792696; i=warp_7@gmx.de; bh=zw6gVs3hfBymWTY4IsY3CtOzYPnuxqwyNro+vai7O58=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:cc: content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:message-id: mime-version:reply-to:subject:to; b=lWyWwPx621kSJgcNG8SZ7YVfsiI2BaixJN+qa/GtXi5JbeJsZyGO7f38U/+aVUHu F9TzUX2yyNFDJ6wi/IqTCROc7pbOJvui7ApudQPmdqsy8EdURe5P/FzrqgHdhNcPf CkfYjuN5YqXBB2Z6zh1qNFKub2lIzwqOcjpxciAENCG0s13RVrJ15BcgXp35T1FDO 0IPsvHXgsP2mKlTf53wUKX6aOo8cyL6lrG0MFDAe3ijHlWJ+oE7GmVU3wf7yLspEu yevlC9cjupjqqYWAaF1wGDc/goce0qqiBy41yvd8lYKlBCJyZF2XxwNRe6Yw8eDxu 64C/RsIrLPP7Gb2Jdg== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from schatulle ([89.245.63.25]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MsYqv-1slQyx0x7j-00u4ZX for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2024 15:31:36 +0200 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2024 15:31:34 +0200 From: Frank Steinmetzger To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300 Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <6b0daec6-7cb1-4690-7f1f-26de6d38b2b2@gmail.com> <13493557.uLZWGnKmhe@rogueboard> <1add904d-b2f8-88a3-7a18-7c0a8357deca@gmail.com> <1965353.PYKUYFuaPT@rogueboard> <629d72ee-335f-c519-bd1f-2adf3a7b7ae7@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lLFfz5uz+5OVY3k3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt 2.2.13; VIM - Vi IMproved 9.1 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:/EzBwKbupSvNQWB+2YttdL+LiOHBGSNvF2RLELWNUVzg4pOfLBr k+0EssOGqbk43Nf0Kh95wQFhxWVrDbOUidZrMwB2DiTH0TvdUaCApFBnTs9EnuO2flaUd1G 4XmkdXG8DYyxfgOTuDuaHKoQhh/iYAFjm46Fk5fCZ2WunkI7UJIM54pjArXjfIZvFSjWoqz O0RI3jRXtftaKVPq/X21Q== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:bxtFzqllImk=;hq7d3kOh+cQAw9VjY6RGG1/7AEx ua0ukPEBsx/xvRFXCXDAIuSLDGsXnJ9VlBxapJWtdwBUcmYtBFJrVwffrbE5wvkHk05Ph4tz8 iHlEMndhV8cA7qV7sdM9ud/YbsgZYPKPO/JOSzMFgU3g7wUpkbRA8Stv0KCYIG3+pcqr38xmd jMxRG0EYaD1W705tdu1OTZlhQommHn2+p8eLZ3iTtdnb8Ecun7fTZdr7yLmDsR98Dj/idTU4+ 71nRet91DrkFZw5TB7VK9koypwT/EAdIrM5MHp/p4vIC3BNnBT2pSEcIDmnVKH6uIlvmTEm7T 4tsxIEj/KzL4ya7CqUL46pdAtaFJNWFXoHrSfnk9UyHcKY67IOpvN3n82RKcvTOiC2G09QQOh eJJXnzHK45iiAAJbTUR4Yp6Y8qi3QT0ffXLWaMgiZUuDbImL+XbqOH+ciKODeBydJ8rNBdpG9 RnogRipi/Uhg7AreqZFvbeExf8rVS3YAh01HjmNjzxsFKwhGeyYcm3AGnSxKqpSY2iizbmjX+ URGVRw7WRV1P9vT3urgqa66X1P8ovxMskaMHJ69jvJiYKIcgvTcrFjcSqHq94jc3CES2c3Avp Ve3YpVcuNMajFXWQ4beULaWJuySNkbRWoESXwFPmB7h5mugLaS8WsiPxgjklz/wXKd5+GyNiJ ZdeOCQ5aNBImPwW3XdrzTFQZzRuEUlRkyE+xCBZKsASWulxC7bvMEOTAyaoiDTxBdQEU9AaMj /eSWk8i8wRp1YDUGLT6oO6wbOdG1uchBeuPmMOrdd2WvKvkcL4xBEs9CQJysEdXufZ18S0azX TZ0Y4CDQurn+EIeANni+6+gYpgOLE3CVaGhiFvs4ZCAsg= X-Archives-Salt: ef07b0b5-5f65-45d8-9379-a49828889364 X-Archives-Hash: e55136e6cc3ad2ab16f4d328a0a471ac --lLFfz5uz+5OVY3k3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:04:15AM -0500 schrieb Dale: > > The physical connector is called M.2. The dimensions of the =E2=80=9Cst= icks=E2=80=9D are=20 > > given in a number such as 2280, meaning 22 mm wide and 80 mm long. Ther= e are=20 > > different lengths available from 30 to 110 mm. M.2 has different =E2=80= =9Ckeys=E2=80=9D,=20 > > meaning there are several variants of electrical hookup. Depending on t= hat,=20 > > it can support SATA, PCIe, or both. NVMe is a protocol that usually run= s via=20 > > PCIe. So for a modern setup, one usually buys NVMe drives, meaning they= are=20 > > connected via PCIe either directly to the CPU or over the chipset. > > >=20 >=20 > Ahh, that's why some of them look a little different.=C2=A0 I was wonderi= ng > about that.=C2=A0 Keep in mind, I've never seen one in real life.=C2=A0 J= ust > pictures or videos, or people talking about them on this list.=C2=A0 I use one in my 10-year-old PC. The board only provides PCIe 2.0=C3=972 to = the=20 slot, so I only get around 1 GB/s instead of 3 which the SSD can reach. But= =20 I bought the SSD with the intention of keeping it in the next build and I= =20 don=E2=80=99t notice the difference anyways. > > There is also the other way around that: an adapter card for the M.2 sl= ot=20 > > that gives you SATA ports. > > >=20 > I didn't know that. I actually thought we mentioned it already in an earlier =E2=80=9CNAS thing= y=E2=80=9D=20 thread. :) https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/s0bf1d/m2_sata_expansion_anyon= e_use_something_like_this/ https://www.amazon.de/dp/B09FZDQ6ZB Maybe you find something if you search for the controller chip (PCIe to=20 SATA): JMB585. From what I=E2=80=99ve just read though, the cheap chines ad= apters=20 don=E2=80=99t seem to be very sturdy. One person advised to put an adapter = M.2 =E2=86=92=20 normal PCIe into the M.2 and then use a normal-formfactor controller card.= =20 After all, an M.2 slot is just a PCIe=C3=974 slot with a different connecto= r. BTW: there are also NVMe SSDs in the old 2.5=E2=80=B3 format. This formfact= or is=20 called U.2, but beware the enterprise-level prices. > I've seen some server type mobos that have SAS connectors which gives > several options.=C2=A0 Some of them tend to have more PCIe slots which so= me > regular mobos don't anymore.=C2=A0 Then there is that ECC memory as well.= =C2=A0 If > the memory doesn't cost to much more, I could go that route.=C2=A0 I'm not > sure how much I would benefit from it but data corruption is a thing to > be concerned about.=C2=A0 > [=E2=80=A6] > The problem with those cards, some of the newer mobos don't have as many > PCIe slots to put those cards into anymore.=C2=A0 I think I currently have > two such cards in my current rig.=C2=A0 The new rig would hold almost twi= ce > the number of drives.=C2=A0 Obviously, I'd need cards with more SATA port= s.=C2=A0 Indeed consumer boards tend to get fewer normal PCIe slots. Filtering for= =20 AM4 boards, the filter allowed me to filter up to 6 slots, whereas for AM5= =20 boards, the filter stopped at 4 slots. AM4: https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=3Dmbam4&xf=3D18869_5%7E20502_UECCDIMM%7E4= 400_ATX AM5: https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=3Dmbam5&xf=3D18869_4%7E20502_UECCDIMM%7E4= 400_ATX > One reason I'm trying not to move to fast right now, besides trying to > save up money, I'm trying to find the right CPU, mobo and memory combo.= =C2=A0 > None of them are cheap anymore.=C2=A0 Just the CPU is going to be around > $400.=C2=A0 The mobo isn't to far behind if I go with a non server one.= =C2=A0 One popular choice for home servers is AM4=E2=80=99s Ryzen Pro 4650G. That= =E2=80=99s an APU=20 (so with powerful internal graphics), but also with ECC support (hence the= =20 Pro moniker). The APU is popular because 1) on AM4 only APUs have graphics= =20 at all, 2) it allows for use as a compact media server, as no bulky GPU is= =20 needed. Speaking of GPU: We=E2=80=99ve had the topic before, but keep in mind that = if you go=20 with AM5, you don=E2=80=99t need a dGPU. Unless you go with one of those F= =20 processors. So there is one more slot available. --=20 Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe | Greetings | Salut | Qapla=E2=80=99 Please do not share anything from, with or about me on any social network. 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