From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 236F915A7D9 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 10:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C8F44E07D3; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 10:01:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12EEFE076B for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 10:01:58 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1678960911; i=warp_7@gmx.de; bh=WZTG/YV/QjQV08l8G2etoFTfQ3jtb3VEGUo/Y8kcNfA=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=Ojr2IqK8qEtZS3pX40rqDdoBEQWMbMWyYz9XKxmswkQb581x2JY5D5pQFqHbkrsRe fbCyP9p4Fq4cPyxL/gp7dAErN4upehwzgWMFnDAS3COzjDqlTdqQXm84X/VUyi50SN 3vH5ky2CwsDGchTuprZ0wK0s0OgNDfUJRKkTHkaic9H+6fiyx5pvEpjyl5R6cLiBBM ehPCamCihnBuzD42PU9lKF4/MCvLxcyUX3T82/GdUjK2M6hyWSYkP1xrabObDIpkQv x9hDKyZ8cz+8G4UwnV6oG0fsdxEtLhiSgx6IH0TdgT1Z57ykncvSxTmIG9o4UizxQ9 gD06zPeCDZrpw== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from moby ([92.117.43.241]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N79yG-1qb1872xCu-017Usg for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 11:01:51 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 11:01:47 +0100 From: Frank Steinmetzger To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user]Computer build, was PCIe x1 or PCIe x4 SATA controller card Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <57322874-e9c0-2f2c-8994-43438fe72995@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jK9IoNJ6kGeriC3V" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt 2.2.9; VIM - Vi IMproved 9.0 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:XwMphXOePCyGTMli8kE5UfF/nutk3fmQVTraQRRRd5WhN0bD/uf 4kY05gEtroovgHtdYXO9HdMu60eCnCqHhZtbSPKJo6XzNqQGdbKPckuC4yfaotPzBFtwoLx joOBJX5UfsebwaGVN8WMViWIpwcgJBcjgLLeP66vp3oGs8ZNpMm1F9RXu+WPhbs0mRo14Xl EhHlgMq/fQ3VkmlDZQrUw== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:jr//o4MrihU=;Opxx7QJbqvNvphsRXtekgbUUG2i YsEJli5sHBA9OwDPWIW6NGToDf/tWJ9ugiCxeelgRpsohxM+x2hhFEF9/JNeg+38SryLFeJSf JOagCU2Vn1KDnnFRh+nZfUOfiaD25PM+mLHnkwNzfiiqQHJA+OIqiR8LcIZMAd3/XabcLvdNV EuP9zgEP87acu4KJmW9yIaFFKWslDqItX8HrNuyfpgDUX9GRIGZnWwUebUmoTdXFn0nIxlrrg 1ptnAoZZHcHvpRIvK7JyP7Gbvi1LXPEs/K9fFAzyr5h2hDF8BAGyfOhpi59+ToRX1P1HUZD4y AtEQdo7D59ZYsk+9V+hS090t6jw8PgPlm3VWX6LknQFYQ5P8r4xsFL49BaJkGX2VzHIi53AN7 oaqo1rfz4pFFX+ZMrNbLaXI9u9YCECzWkdbHJXWplfwTVFZhOQ8wgc9h32YWhtRCMv60Kyc4Q jFlJ8mW9I+54bSkIF1e3btTInk6TLvWM95YWfL7g8FQdUhQoclmUY/3DjM2UCDKSHTFiCfBdU opeuKkDGI1T6ta33/2ms6ivsa3P9b5UPYu0vayyxAEN2BpP8ZE0tHfoR5yTWVkIDctipKiEiH HxrnyjiYrjj/51FA5omM9NR/I+knO6EC6kVCEPq2L6Fstc4yHhS91SD954Ifvno1gCCpyv02S O1agFhFn+M8XSpEJ2m+89CTXfeJfRmyQRVH1MkuQjS0RZeKSY9UgcsB34AjSx64vsGeOw5rim RFrRjDIS85L0Ro7HEvsHYt4vN6uYWQWPXfXNJpSPYPg8X56SqetzPACexfOmNamgbH9Wh7qWG xUYlrJlY161g6k2VtuALNu6cRE3Rqv6awrPbsvHUf/H/UjnYx/Zio3g3lR8y5IUPIoaSB6elf ZadWAIM6nLKWkXyKUMprcNgh+2XiqZP5LmZTQLBb0tNzzeZ1C58F5YP59HQ58QNasgaRHxQlB 4ExMcA== X-Archives-Salt: 27116776-ba0b-4576-9774-0bae0f8e7d3a X-Archives-Hash: 29aa3dbbf42fdf25227ef2798c009fb6 --jK9IoNJ6kGeriC3V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 05:36:16PM -0500 schrieb Dale: > Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > > If you want to save money and aim for a low-cost AMD APU (processor wit= h=20 > > integrated graphics), you can get an older 3000-series Ryzen for a two-= digit=20 > > price. It=E2=80=99ll still be much faster than your old FX at a fractio= n of the=20 > > power consumption. Like the 4300G, which is twice as fast for half the= =20 > > electricity. With today=E2=80=99s processors, basically none of the soc= ktetable=20 > > models are too slow unless you have specific performance requirements. > > [=E2=80=A6] > > Here are some benchmark comparisons from cpubenchmark.net: > > [=E2=80=A6] > > You can see the increase in performance. My old i5-4590, at half the co= res,=20 > > can keep up with your FX, even though it is only 1=C2=BD years younger.= Ryzens=20 > > used to be more efficient in multi workloads (look at the 2020 entries)= =2E But=20 > > I=E2=80=99m not too sure about current generations due to Intel=E2=80= =99s big-little=20 > > concept. > >> I was also wondering what a mobo/CPU/memory combo would cost nowadays.= =C2=A0 > >> Maybe someone who recently built a decent rig recalls how much they pa= id > >> for those three.=C2=A0 I don't go cheap on power supply but I don't re= quire a > >> lot for a video card or anything.=C2=A0 Some spend half their money on= a > >> video card alone but I just don't need anything that fancy. > > Any current Intel non-F CPU (F means no graphics) can cover your graphi= cs=20 > > need. Finally, AMD caught up and started shipping a minimal graphics ch= ip in=20 > > all of their processors with Zen 4, but as I said, that platform is sti= ll=20 > > expensive. > > > >> I got a Nvidia GeForce GTX 650 that drives both my monitor and my TVs= =20 > >> through a splitter and it does just fine. > > How cute. This should be about twice as fast as the integrated graphics= in=20 > > my 8-year-old i5. So you=E2=80=99ll be fine with *any* integrated graph= ics (which=20 > > will also cut down on idle consuption, compared with a dGPU). > > [=E2=80=A6] >=20 > This is all good info.=C2=A0 I went to Tom's Hardware and found their lis= t by > computing power.=C2=A0 I try to find a generic power rating since what I = use > my rig for is more generic.=C2=A0 No need looking at a chart for gaming.= =C2=A0 > ;-)=C2=A0 Anyway, I was looking at a somewhat costly Ryzen 7 5800x3d or a > Ryzen 7 7700. The 5800x3d got a huge boost from its cache. It may be the most powerful AM= 4=20 socket processor around. But it is aimed mostly at gamers, because that=E2= =80=99s=20 where the cache mostly shines. > Plus, if the video stops working, replace card instead of whole mobo. Onboard graphics sits in the CPU. The mobo just routes the signal. And if= =20 any of that breaks, you can still fall back to a slot-in GPU. > I also have to have two outputs.=C2=A0 One for desktop, one for TV. Most boards have at least two outputs, nowadays usually one HDMI and DP. > One other thing, the mobos I keep finding have few PCIe slots.=C2=A0 Some > have 2 maybe 3.=C2=A0 That's getting to be to few for me. Gamer boards tend to skimp on ports, because those people generally care=20 mostly for their GPU (plus design and RGB). I believe you use ATX boards,= =20 right? Here is a list of AM4 ATX boards with at least four PCIe slots,=20 totalling to 70 models (and still 31 with five slots): https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=3Dmbam4&xf=3D18869_4. Feel free to play with the filters yourself. > Then my next thing, a case.=C2=A0 The cases I find have a ton of lights, = which=20 > I hate, but as far as layout and such, they suck.=C2=A0 Some cost a arm a= nd leg=20 > and they are worthless to me. Unilluminated ATX cases for at least five 3.5=E2=80=B3 drives: https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=3Dgehatx&xf=3D17572_ohne%7E536_5%7E9691_ATX Or for eight drives: https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=3Dgehatx&xf=3D17572_ohne%7E536_8%7E9691_ATX There are some nice bland black boxes among them, notably the Fractal Defin= e=20 series. > I found one the other day that is fairly plain, holds 8 or 10 hard drives= =20 > and has reasonably good cooling.=C2=A0 I'm hoping I can get it.=C2=A0 Here, Linus is showcasing an 8-drives storage machine in a Fractal Define R= 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DDpJViwtct5g And here a system with 18 drives =F0=9F=A4=AA in a Fractal Define 7XL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DFAy9N1vX76o > Usually I look forward to building a new rig.=C2=A0 Trying to find things= I > like takes the fun out of it.=C2=A0 I'll get there tho.=C2=A0 Eventually.= =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve been thinking for two years now. But my old PC keeps on runnin= g. 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