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From: Frank Steinmetzger <Warp_7@gmx.de>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick : glances at gparted
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2025 23:09:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z8y_bMCNFWT1ffpk@q> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z7evcKFDmCMVp_fa@q>

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Am Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 11:40:48PM +0100 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger:

> Another thing to consider: don’t put it into the safe for a year without 
> powering it up. As was explained in a previous mail, QLC uses sixteen 
> different levels of charge inside one single flash cell. The chance of a bit 
> flip increases the longer the SSD is powerless and charge slowly (very 
> slowly) dissipates. It’s hard to find exact numbers, and it’s more of a 
> statistical question. Could be a research topic for a slow Sunday. ;-) 
> Also, don’t you live in a hot area?

I knew I’ve seen this data in the past, but couldn’t remeber where and in 
what context. I just stumbled upon the relevant info again.

If you search for "jedec temperature and data retention" you find this PDF:
https://www.jedec.org/sites/default/files/Alvin_Cox%20%5BCompatibility%20Mode%5D_0.pdf

It contains establised standard values for flash durability. On slide 28 it 
says:
Client-class SSDs should retain their data w/o power for 1 year if used
8 hours/day at 40 °C and kept at or below 30 °C when off.
There is also a table for other temperatures; the time is cut in half for
5 degrees more.

Mind you, that PDF is 15 years old, TLS had just been released to the public 
one year earlier according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_cell#Triple-level_cell

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-03-08 22:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-15  7:41 [gentoo-user] problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick Philip Webb
2025-02-15 11:50 ` [gentoo-user] " Nuno Silva
2025-02-15 13:31   ` Michael
2025-02-16  2:37     ` Philip Webb
2025-02-16  9:08       ` Nuno Silva
2025-02-16 13:41         ` Michael
2025-02-16 14:48           ` Wols Lists
2025-02-17 23:12           ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-02-18 11:53             ` Michael
2025-02-19 12:10               ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-02-20  9:58                 ` Michael
2025-02-16 22:57       ` [gentoo-user] problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick : more info Philip Webb
2025-02-17  0:17         ` [gentoo-user] " Nuno Silva
2025-02-17  0:39         ` [gentoo-user] " Michael
2025-02-17  3:43           ` Philip Webb
2025-02-17  9:18             ` Philip Webb
2025-02-17 12:02               ` Michael
2025-02-17 16:33                 ` Stroller
2025-02-17 16:19             ` Wols Lists
2025-02-17 17:16             ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
2025-02-17 18:12               ` Michael
2025-02-18  3:46                 ` [gentoo-user] Re: problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick : f3 Philip Webb
2025-02-18  4:43                   ` Grant Edwards
2025-02-18  5:53                     ` Philip Webb
2025-02-18  9:13                       ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-02-18 19:10                         ` [gentoo-user] Re: problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick : alternatives Philip Webb
2025-02-18 21:18                           ` Grant Edwards
2025-02-18 23:25                             ` Michael
2025-02-19 12:16                               ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-02-19 12:20                           ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-02-20 10:47                             ` Michael
2025-02-18 14:40                       ` [gentoo-user] Re: problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick : f3 Grant Edwards
2025-02-18 17:00                         ` Grant Edwards
2025-02-18 11:57                   ` Michael
2025-02-18 18:54                     ` [gentoo-user] Re: problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick : glances at gparted Philip Webb
2025-02-18 23:13                       ` Michael
2025-02-19  0:47                         ` Grant Edwards
2025-02-19  1:12                           ` [gentoo-user] alternatives to USB sticks for reliable archiving Philip Webb
2025-02-19  2:28                             ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
2025-02-19  9:48                             ` [gentoo-user] " Michael
2025-02-19  3:00                         ` [gentoo-user] Re: problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick : glances at gparted eric
2025-02-20 18:18                         ` Dale
2025-02-20 22:40                           ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-02-20 23:43                             ` Grant Edwards
2025-02-21  8:10                               ` Dale
2025-03-08 22:09                             ` Frank Steinmetzger [this message]
2025-03-08 22:48                               ` Dale
2025-03-09 10:31                                 ` Michael
2025-03-10  3:32                                   ` Dale
2025-03-10 13:01                                     ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-02-17 16:38 ` [gentoo-user] problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick Stroller
2025-02-17 23:06   ` Frank Steinmetzger

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