From: Frank Steinmetzger <Warp_7@gmx.de>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick : glances at gparted
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2025 23:09:00 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z8y_bMCNFWT1ffpk@q> (raw)
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Am Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 11:40:48PM +0100 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger:
> Another thing to consider: don’t put it into the safe for a year without
> powering it up. As was explained in a previous mail, QLC uses sixteen
> different levels of charge inside one single flash cell. The chance of a bit
> flip increases the longer the SSD is powerless and charge slowly (very
> slowly) dissipates. It’s hard to find exact numbers, and it’s more of a
> statistical question. Could be a research topic for a slow Sunday. ;-)
> Also, don’t you live in a hot area?
I knew I’ve seen this data in the past, but couldn’t remeber where and in
what context. I just stumbled upon the relevant info again.
If you search for "jedec temperature and data retention" you find this PDF:
https://www.jedec.org/sites/default/files/Alvin_Cox%20%5BCompatibility%20Mode%5D_0.pdf
It contains establised standard values for flash durability. On slide 28 it
says:
Client-class SSDs should retain their data w/o power for 1 year if used
8 hours/day at 40 °C and kept at or below 30 °C when off.
There is also a table for other temperatures; the time is cut in half for
5 degrees more.
Mind you, that PDF is 15 years old, TLS had just been released to the public
one year earlier according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_cell#Triple-level_cell
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Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-02-15 7:41 [gentoo-user] problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick Philip Webb
2025-02-15 11:50 ` [gentoo-user] " Nuno Silva
2025-02-15 13:31 ` Michael
2025-02-16 2:37 ` Philip Webb
2025-02-16 9:08 ` Nuno Silva
2025-02-16 13:41 ` Michael
2025-02-16 14:48 ` Wols Lists
2025-02-17 23:12 ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-02-18 11:53 ` Michael
2025-02-19 12:10 ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-02-20 9:58 ` Michael
2025-02-16 22:57 ` [gentoo-user] problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick : more info Philip Webb
2025-02-17 0:17 ` [gentoo-user] " Nuno Silva
2025-02-17 0:39 ` [gentoo-user] " Michael
2025-02-17 3:43 ` Philip Webb
2025-02-17 9:18 ` Philip Webb
2025-02-17 12:02 ` Michael
2025-02-17 16:33 ` Stroller
2025-02-17 16:19 ` Wols Lists
2025-02-17 17:16 ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
2025-02-17 18:12 ` Michael
2025-02-18 3:46 ` [gentoo-user] Re: problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick : f3 Philip Webb
2025-02-18 4:43 ` Grant Edwards
2025-02-18 5:53 ` Philip Webb
2025-02-18 9:13 ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-02-18 19:10 ` [gentoo-user] Re: problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick : alternatives Philip Webb
2025-02-18 21:18 ` Grant Edwards
2025-02-18 23:25 ` Michael
2025-02-19 12:16 ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-02-19 12:20 ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-02-20 10:47 ` Michael
2025-02-18 14:40 ` [gentoo-user] Re: problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick : f3 Grant Edwards
2025-02-18 17:00 ` Grant Edwards
2025-02-18 11:57 ` Michael
2025-02-18 18:54 ` [gentoo-user] Re: problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick : glances at gparted Philip Webb
2025-02-18 23:13 ` Michael
2025-02-19 0:47 ` Grant Edwards
2025-02-19 1:12 ` [gentoo-user] alternatives to USB sticks for reliable archiving Philip Webb
2025-02-19 2:28 ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
2025-02-19 9:48 ` [gentoo-user] " Michael
2025-02-19 3:00 ` [gentoo-user] Re: problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick : glances at gparted eric
2025-02-20 18:18 ` Dale
2025-02-20 22:40 ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-02-20 23:43 ` Grant Edwards
2025-02-21 8:10 ` Dale
2025-03-08 22:09 ` Frank Steinmetzger [this message]
2025-03-08 22:48 ` Dale
2025-03-09 10:31 ` Michael
2025-03-10 3:32 ` Dale
2025-03-10 13:01 ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-02-17 16:38 ` [gentoo-user] problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick Stroller
2025-02-17 23:06 ` Frank Steinmetzger
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