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charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 11:31:48AM +0000 schrieb Michael: > On Thursday, 20 February 2025 19:18:52 Greenwich Mean Time=20 > whiteman808@paraboletancza.org wrote: > > Hello, > >=20 > > I want to build a PC with Gentoo and I need to know how much money > > should I spend on it. >=20 > Only you can make this judgment. There is usually a sweet spot between= =20 > performance and price. They are both measurable, but the value/cost rati= o any=20 > level of performance represents is quite subjective. Typically, a previo= us=20 > generation of CPUs is more cost effective, while performance increases wi= th=20 > each generation. >=20 >=20 > > To clarify, I'll tell more for what I'm going to use PC: > > [=E2=80=A6] > > * it's very probable I'll want to add one or more HDDs with capacity >= =3D > > 4 TB, connected by SATA, >=20 > Hmm ... AM4 socket CPUs could drive SATA x2 + PCIe x2 NVME M.2. I've rea= d=20 > that with AM5 CPUs it's all PCIe. You will have to hook any SATA drives = on=20 > the PCIe, or perhaps externally via USB. Uhm, not quite. It is true that the I/O die inside the AM4 CPUs supports=20 2=C3=97SATA, which the I/O die in AM5 does not do anymore. But that doesn= =E2=80=99t mean=20 that boards don=E2=80=99t provide SATA. In fact, of all 206 AM5 boards list= ed in my=20 product comparison website, exactly one model does not have any SATA ports.= =20 And that=E2=80=99s because it=E2=80=99s a server board with a non-standard = form factor and=20 Oculink instead. > > * motherboard should have many USB ports, even better if it would have > > USB 3 and a few USB type C, > > * I'm going to work on three monitors displaying tiling wm with my > > workflow based on tmux+neovim+qutebrowser+neomutt etc. >=20 > The iGPU on AM5 can drive one dedicated display, while 3 more displays ca= n be=20 > hooked up to the USB-C ports as DP-alt mode. What do you mean with one dedicated display? According to https://www.anandtech.com/show/17585/amd-zen-4-ryzen-9-7950x-a= nd-ryzen-5-7600x-review-retaking-the-high-end/3 the AM4 iGPU supports three displays, AM5=E2=80=99s four. And it does not m= atter=20 which connector you use, be it HDMI=C2=B9, DisplayPort, DVI or even VGA. However, of the mentioned 206 AM5 boards, only 56 have three display=20 connectors, just 4 boards have four. So if you want to use more displays=20 than you have connectors, you need DisplayPort daisy-chaining. > > Can you recommend an example PC configuration that will meet my > > requirements? Will PC with AMD Ryzen 9 7950X and motherboard with > > installed 64 GB RAM be fine? This cpu supports up to 128 GB RAM and has > > integrated graphics and isn't too expensive for me. > >=20 > > Thank you, > > whiteman808 >=20 > The Ryzen 9 7950X is a beast in terms of CPU frequencies it can achieve a= nd=20 > will make compiling any of today's software a breeze. Which brings me to= ...=20 > cooling. :-) Although it is more efficient power-wise than previous=20 > generations of CPUs, its TDP at 170W is not to be sniffed at. AMD recomm= ends=20 > water cooling which adds to the cost, especially if you intend to squeeze= =20 > higher boost frequencies through PBO2/CO tweaking. If you disable the boost, the CPU will run much much more efficiently, in= =20 terms of compute power per consumed unit of energy. Example: I have an 8700= G=20 APU, it=E2=80=99s only a 65 W chip (65 =C3=97 1.4 =3D 91 W top consumption)= =2E But it sits in=20 a cramped case with a not-so big air cooler. When I let it boost to 5.2 GHz= ,=20 then just loading one or two cores makes the fan spin up loudly and the chi= p=20 reaches 70 =C2=B0C. If I disable boost, the processor goes only to 4.2 GHz,= but=20 even when loading 8 or more cores, the fan stays rather quiet and the temps= =20 well below 60 degrees. --=20 Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe | Greetings | Salut | Qapla=E2=80=99 Please do not share anything from, with or about me on any social network. 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