From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38DA61582EF for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 01:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lists.gentoo.org (bobolink.gentoo.org [140.211.166.189]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: relay-lists.gentoo.org@gentoo.org) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 20FA334325A for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 01:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bobolink.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bobolink.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A3111047E; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 01:12:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mp-relay-01.fibernetics.ca (mp-relay-01.fibernetics.ca [208.85.217.136]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by bobolink.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E45B1110470 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 01:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailpool-fe-01.fibernetics.ca (mailpool-fe-01.fibernetics.ca [208.85.217.144]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mp-relay-01.fibernetics.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0AF4E0D5B for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 01:12:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (mailpool-mx-01.fibernetics.ca [208.85.217.140]) by mailpool-fe-01.fibernetics.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3D62746F for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 01:12:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mailpool-fe-01.fibernetics.ca ([208.85.217.144]) by localhost (mail-mx-01.fibernetics.ca [208.85.217.140]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qunr5fQ9Yej5 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 01:12:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ca.inter.net (ipagstaticip-775be200-4a37-75d6-8e66-9fb1bf5ef423.sdsl.bell.ca [74.15.193.54]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: purslow1@ca.inter.net) by mail.ca.inter.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9A28D2746D for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 01:12:38 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ca.inter.net; s=mail; t=1739927558; bh=aUYMvrVFr8WQlrhBTCYZX2szSUbsB7Xffizh1P/Kz9M=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=rXJkxsGLonoJzkDDrfQGLQdTut/bpKZ/RhhdVM1r6P4bMDu9bAhMY5m6TYyXuy88F WyxG51FburVBBk4WxDik/bHTcJYCOthjHlTXWNWJ9qXQUU/Flahs80nP2v9sZkifz5 d57JqmY6HkLJHuH58hHP+maNQKDU+gahu7DabqP1tY6YPuxllKxo+K2N7t7P1oGTOs OeZIw+SnthIAGFPZvpNyEKmrAVuiB9SpjD/4lhsLiIZjIcC85HzrlElDNBSaO6qFyI 88sRMv0nOrZm6kpAocta+L/cyVZWjAasKF0IY95D7S4Y76ilkCjirjpAYNrINnnXLB 6Jfy0NKxRCXDA== Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 20:12:34 -0500 From: Philip Webb To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] alternatives to USB sticks for reliable archiving Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <3140915.CbtlEUcBR6@rogueboard> <2658421.Lt9SDvczpP@rogueboard> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Archives-Salt: 7baefdba-600b-45ae-a7ee-ba6d4e6b6e35 X-Archives-Hash: 7766af8cad1eca87f240f3ac244c27aa 250219 Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2025-02-18, Michael wrote: >> I would refrain from stating anything which could well be >> outside their sphere of knowledge or understanding. >> I would not mention Linux, ext2, gparted >> or anything exotic for the average MSWindows user. >> "I just cannot format these sticks - they took many, many hours >> and eventually failed. They are not like the previous USB sticks >> I bought FROM YOUR SHOP. Can I please replace them >> for something more reliable AND FASTER, if need be at a higher price". > Definitely that. The second they hear "Linux", they're going to say > "Those aren't supported on Linux" and turn their backs. > If you push the issue, they're going to claim the waranty is void > because you were using Linux. Then they should definitely advertise the fact that they work only for M$ ; USB sticks sb reformatable at the customer's wish : if these aren't, the store should make that clear to the purchaser. CC is the kind of store you go to if you build your own machines, so I wb surprised if that was their response ; it's more likely to be : "They are outside the in-store warranty. You can send them back to the maker". > Well, that's what would happen in US. Maybe retailers are nicer in Canada ? Yes, we're all nicer in Canada : that's why the US Prez doesn't like us (grin) > If they start asking questions, just say: "I tried to format them on > my PC. It ran for 10 hours, then failed". It doesn't matter what they ask > apart from "cash refund, replacement or credit?", that's your answer. No, you're both quite wrong. "Both sticks came already formatted as 'msdos', so why were you trying to reformat them, Mr Customer ? As you should know as a Linux user, Linux systems can RWX 'msdos' files". To which there is no clear-cut reply. > I've bought a number of Toshiba and Samsung internal and external SSDs > (M.2 and USB3) and they have been absolutely solid. If possible, > buy flash products from manufacturers that actually make flash chips. > You know they're not putting the floor sweepings in their own products. Thanks to both + Frank : I'll definitely look into this. I have plenty of older but reliable sticks, but if I can't rely on new ones in future, I'll need an alternative for long-term system archives. -- ========================,,============================================ SUPPORT ___________//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT `-O----------O---' purslowatcadotinterdotnet