From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF05A158094 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 10:53:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 79550E089C; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 10:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mp-relay-02.fibernetics.ca (mp-relay-02.fibernetics.ca [208.85.217.137]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 355D9E087A for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 10:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailpool-fe-01.fibernetics.ca (mailpool-fe-01.fibernetics.ca [208.85.217.144]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mp-relay-02.fibernetics.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6D7B70DDC for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 10:53:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (mailpool-mx-02.fibernetics.ca [208.85.217.141]) by mailpool-fe-01.fibernetics.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF4555582 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 10:53:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, BAYES_20=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mailpool-fe-01.fibernetics.ca ([208.85.217.144]) by localhost (mail-mx-02.fibernetics.ca [208.85.217.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4BsRYK0ihQiu for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 10:53:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (host-104-157-236-204.dyn.295.ca [104.157.236.204]) by mail.ca.inter.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C62455581 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 10:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by localhost (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 19 Sep 2022 06:53:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2022 06:53:33 -0400 From: Philip Webb To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : a lot clearer Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Archives-Salt: 3fb18886-267a-4f8f-b623-0bc52a9ea71d X-Archives-Hash: bc914af7484cfa5e0155eb0790774616 220915 Mark Knecht wrote: > I don't think PCIe 4.0 would, in this sort of machine, > have much to do with compile times. > This level of machine has an NVMe flash drive for the system disk. > My machine has 2 x 1 TB NVMe SSDs and no mechanical drives. Thanks lots : that's the crucial advice I was looking for. I've reviewed what's available at local stores again (Downtown is closest) : CPU + Mobo : available 220914 ( D downtown M midtown N NYork S Scarboro d delivery ; o openbox ) : CPU : must incl graphix + cooler AMD : (1) CPAMD00130 : Ryzen 5 : 5600G : $ 187 (350) 6-Core/12-Thread : 7 nm : PCIe 3.0 Socket AM4 : 3.9 GHz , boost 4.4 GHz Radeon Graphics : Wraith Stealth Cooler : 65 W Available 220915 : D 5 M 5 N 10 S 7 d y (2) CPAMD00141 : Ryzen 5 : 4600G : $ 200 6-Core/12-Thread : 7 nm : PCIe ? (sb 3.0) Socket AM4 : 3.7 GHz , boost 4.2 GHz Radeon Graphics : Wraith Stealth Cooler : 65 W Available 220915 : D 1 M - N 1 S - d y (3) CPAMD00131 : Ryzen 7 : 5700G : $ 310 (470) : *** looks best *** 8-Core/16-Thread : 7 nm : PCIe 3.0 Socket AM4 : 3.8 GHz , boost 4.6 GHz Radeon Graphics : Wraith Stealth cooler : 65 W Available 220915 : D 1 M 1 N 1 S 1 d y Intel : lowest price w 8 cores ; doesn't look competitive : 14 nm ; no fan ; $ 110 > AMD 00131 ; installation challenges : Intel pins are on the mobo, so damage easier ; it used to be more of a challenge to fit the fan on the CPU w Intel. (1) CPINT00159 : Intel Core i9-11900K : $ 420 (600) : *** not attractive *** 8-Core/16-Thread : 14 nm : Socket LGA 1200 (Intel 500 + select 400 Series) Unlocked 3.5 GHz , turbo 5.3 GHz : 11th UHD Graphics 750 : 125 W : no cooler ? Available 220919 : D 2 M 1 N - S - d y Mobo: AMD : *** not clear there's much difference *** (1) MBGIG00135 : Gigabyte : X570 AORUS ELITE : $ 220 (300) 12+2 Phase Digital VRM with DrMOS Advanced Thermal Design with Enlarge Heatsink Dual PCIe 4.0 M.2 w Single Thermal Guard Intel GbE LAN w cFosSpeed, Front USB Type-C, RGB Fusion 2.0 Available 220914 : D 3 M 4 N 6 S 3 d y (2) MBGIG00261 : Gigabyte : X570S AORUS ELITE : $ 250 (330) AX AMD X570 DDR4 Wi-Fi 6E : Bluetooth PCIe 4.0 M.2 : USB 3.2 : ATX Available 220914 : D 4 M 2 N 9 S 2 d y (3) MBGIG00260 : Gigabyte : X570S AORUS PRO : $ 280 (390) AX Socket AM4 AMD X570 DDR4 Wi-Fi 6 Bluetooth PCIe 4.0 M.2 : USB 3.2 : ATX Available 220914 : D 2 M 2 N 5 S 1 d y (4) MBGIG00242 : Gigabyte : X570S AERO G : $ 300 (470) AMD X570 : 4 x DDR4 DIMM : 128 GB Intel Wi-Fi 6E PCIe 4.0 : USB Type-C M.2 Available 220914 : D 2 M 1 N 1 S 1 d y -- end of review -- Intel seems to offer inferior product for higher price : comparison only. AMD : I want 8 cores with 16 threads. I want graphics + cooling included with the CPU. PCIe 3.0 is adequate for what I do : with 32 GB memory everything sb compilable there with no need to use the SSD ; ANB5 (my present machine) has DDR3, so ANB6's DDR4 wb faster. Price differences aren't important in themselves among these choices. There is free WiFi where I live, tho' landline mb better for security. Thanks for the advice so far : further comments are very welcome. -- ========================,,============================================ SUPPORT ___________//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT `-O----------O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca