From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDB61158094 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 23:01:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 78D67E0901; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 23:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7DB3E086A for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 23:01:00 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1663282853; bh=iPClitqepR/rjcMzO1nGYommypDdfHGr3URXhDIehrM=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=IK09FPkw2ktlST11dWNGk9EroW+dGWWhkKIIKY5ZX4qfuJi8mNf/bGkbxP89J3SJx 1vXXQnPD6PfoMA8YXUPQIQSVygem9j0xsKhBbIItFERxIvFMr+FtswE0OIoq40m94a 2B0t+NTP+AAy1+kc40//eDur/WtJtRdd7ULUFeEs= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from schatulle ([92.117.32.58]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MWici-1ooPGf2YnY-00X5gt for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 01:00:53 +0200 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 01:00:52 +0200 From: Frank Steinmetzger To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : on-going frustration Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lwyUEzV13OtDsF1K" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt 2.2.7; VIM - Vi IMproved 9.0 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:HaOZgsfmOdrKKqJCW6XqkPb86nRxTPiJ524bmhUvHoNHFSSx5+g zSpZEx7g3HT2hx657HKqWcCVCUis0hDwxXJ0NOcGxwA1f9orWjsI4M9Y8g2u5DsedVIz0DG d1nXHC2XYMhXdGM5RiGn+G/NkB1stPy0NuogQ2s8qDKxPByTF1055nXdPWgBo1MKZ8UBlSQ bmDAxEK6QaaQb4AWrq4sA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:DuJRZWwLSY4=:z4iVQlGh2Lvmo1kf2IlmLy hpXBoEt/eU9zXyOofjaA8cmOjgS07vjpHxpX2p9vJQOyAdkmfq+21uQRjSKG5KhJGqp1sYlM/ DIA1DEYzYqapHUbEfBfZFUEexuF6KzIty2fxpXj4JfmzT+rz1KCgKtjp5bshrgWC4a8gebsaZ iMAAyK6uwmkA26VysBvHo4OaSkF1+NqmP23u+OKo0o0kPiZacNMkacKfxzQLsazAaJOarLTGE Vs4NsLqb5p39BIC8WUgfPrgU/Io+GSPR27zybS2VwZ2XCvHZb/m8DZ2KjttZpifeiz0Fq/Jtf 7A6A4oxwsCuamnU8Tk22h8FTlfHrElyTcmPR6v1Y7fvpHR2Ls5GZLpnRO0lwymZcrsB9NXki0 id64RU6VWATHcptAwf6LAb8lLjNb7A0gk+vb2F+j9ZwDt9vM9NkEv7Oo2MVFZnlYiVaW59n6v 7F2ochHFTTXtBNKFTghdG9Hv57vW3wSYf5cQRIHX4yP79s9+b+HcdZXhryV/lgN84yVEEoI0s Xsf66oZW1oPg0Tsccb0j9tmAk846Ww2oRJzOm8r/j8fmiA1tbf4PCMxJ9VKWnCPHYFigqef5w jIlfTj6MoQoa/7bII26ZvtSXRcxEkiFtOZgRxPB2qKwGwtAMghEInrNMSJbT4whCBtQ2u5Yaj gOwgLC2/k/RoIoJLDK2BteRFctLbK8+UJsbvRxE6yfhfYGD+eXe7WgXUYbONuJhyrT5PAsb5t Mt4JeYp0sWfxsMKL1gqUjvvZ3RahWLJm5CMCmp6mTbB0dzNzv4i9+a9lTwwzICn9tTN7QHwCP 29gUHyAoQ9GZDn03comqz7p9Z8FweUZmkCISwhc0+e7cTG239H3Jsw+XbrrngETIyMSkuFGa3 0M7wa5wkSjDIWI62WPD8Coy/olE1d91HJ9riRmM4ab0m6Nneh3GSLolijSDCdZa14KKknRd4k hMhJJH9S2esxnDQ+5tQMDkTG4/N0bomenh3umoQ4G0Km4Txr5dvZECyyX920Pxqimr/trnfQX 8o7lD3ZLXRVVUyWgjUAbomgN0x4YtshjnVD6RaKKhbo/JY+epW2KTD7cBfB2RRa2jEvs7rhb2 jMPCGev7+VjWnhv3Sq2X2ZtJRAM3CcgSJGt2lFXITa36AWtPFPXFFQHp1Ig/GV0x67fdTSLYV uxq1A= X-Archives-Salt: 54d81a08-fe84-4edd-a271-727294190ebe X-Archives-Hash: 64cd4cdc1b96ed91e145153cfb070a85 --lwyUEzV13OtDsF1K Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 04:13:19PM -0400 schrieb Philip Webb: > Since then, it hasn't worked out very well > & I'm still relying on my 7-year-old machine (ANB5). What hasn=E2=80=99t worked out specifically? > I would like to have PCIe 4.0 , which is much faster than 3.0 , > to improve Gentoo compile times ; I don't do gaming. As Mark already mentioned =E2=80=93 PCIe speed has no impact on compile tim= es. It=E2=80=99s only used for communication between CPU and {GPU, NVMe, Chipset}, or between GPU and RAM. > I want to buy from a physical store, not delivered by an on-line order, > in case there's a defect, so that I can easily take it back to the store. So you built the Ryzen system we talked about, and now want to start over? > my impression is that if you get PCIe 4.0 , you don't get CPU graphics, > but have to buy a separate graphics card ; > if you have built-in graphics in the CPU, you get only PCIe 3.0. That=E2=80=99s the way with AM3-socket APUs. It won=E2=80=99t be with AM4, = but those are probably still a year away (at least half a year). Also, the new AM4 CPUs all have a basic iGPU inside, much like most Intels have had until now. They won=E2=80=99t be much to write home about, but wil= l be sufficient for office and desktop. > I might be willing to get an Intel CPU, > but in their specifications there's no mention of PCIe (3 or 4) : > is this an accident or are PCIe's confined to AMD ? When I need such information, I like to go to Wikipedia. It has everything under one roof, often in very similar formats for both vendors. Here=E2=80= =99s a description of Intel=E2=80=99s recent generation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alder_Lake And as you can see, those have 16=C3=97PCIe 5 for the graphics slot and ano= ther 4=C3=974.0, probably for NVMe. The chipset is connected via Intel=E2=80=99s= proprietary DMI and connects to more mass storage, USB etc. > Does anyone have any useful advice or suggestions ? Well, we suggested stuff and advised on things. Please elaborate what hasn= =E2=80=99t worked out for you and why. --=20 Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe | Greetings | Salut | Qapla=E2=80=99 Please do not share anything from, with or about me on any social network. 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