From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07DEE158095 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C4E55E0950; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:13:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mp-relay-02.fibernetics.ca (mp-relay-02.fibernetics.ca [208.85.217.137]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88892E0921 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:13:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailpool-fe-02.fibernetics.ca (mailpool-fe-02.fibernetics.ca [208.85.217.145]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mp-relay-02.fibernetics.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C2B571119 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:13:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (mailpool-mx-02.fibernetics.ca [208.85.217.141]) by mailpool-fe-02.fibernetics.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F966027C for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:13:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, BAYES_50=0.8] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mailpool-fe-02.fibernetics.ca ([208.85.217.145]) by localhost (mail-mx-02.fibernetics.ca [208.85.217.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MXsh1pc0p0dD for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (host-104-157-236-204.dyn.295.ca [104.157.236.204]) by mail.ca.inter.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D4ED060175 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:13:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by localhost (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 15 Sep 2022 16:13:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 16:13:19 -0400 From: Philip Webb To: Gentoo User Subject: [gentoo-user] new machine : on-going frustration Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Gentoo User Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Archives-Salt: 55569f24-f3e9-4409-85f3-c02878bb011d X-Archives-Hash: eef7436699b2faa549475c5b3e474931 Back in April 2022, I asked for advice here re parts for a new machine (ANB6) & got some very helpful info (thanks to everyone). Since then, it hasn't worked out very well & I'm still relying on my 7-year-old machine (ANB5). I want an AMD CPU, based on past experience ; I prefer a Gigabyte mobo ditto, but will consider other makes. I would like to have PCIe 4.0 , which is much faster than 3.0 , to improve Gentoo compile times ; I don't do gaming. I would like to avoid a separate graphics card, which are expensive & seem today to be designed for gaming enthusiasts. I want to buy from a physical store, not delivered by an on-line order, in case there's a defect, so that I can easily take it back to the store. Looking at the offerings from Canada Computers, my most convenient store, which I have used for all 5 of my previous home-built machines, my impression is that if you get PCIe 4.0 , you don't get CPU graphics, but have to buy a separate graphics card ; if you have built-in graphics in the CPU, you get only PCIe 3.0. I might be willing to get an Intel CPU, but in their specifications there's no mention of PCIe (3 or 4) : is this an accident or are PCIe's confined to AMD ? Intel seems to be a quite different world from AMD today. Does anyone have any useful advice or suggestions ? -- ========================,,============================================ SUPPORT ___________//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT `-O----------O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca