From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B145C158094 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2022 14:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7FF7EE086E; Mon, 29 Aug 2022 14:42:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEB79E0826 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2022 14:42:52 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1661784165; bh=5YucdX/N2S2ksXPjaGBOmGLubqH6Lw2YqSoMCuXpkgg=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=Buavs7dhibv7EvVsjAElIeBmMVVFLR4FPVP4EAlkyHBKJ5SMNtfHU0JIOIOkoOBCR 0ddszI2ozMVM3McZ+331WICVB/5BrOoZV0AwGcdgsokDjl+IhxaNFiBTb21EKbd3DV ANsN8wgFub/z4SZOJLnBs4id+JUUbQwrQL0xSXeU= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from tp ([92.117.48.31]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N4z6k-1pR0Lp2rsC-010u7S for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:42:45 +0200 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:42:43 +0200 From: Frank Steinmetzger To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Getting maximum space out of a hard drive Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <6f3feff2-eac9-f6ec-4a3c-c511cf469603@gmail.com> <6e3ee99d-46da-4cdf-93ed-838591a50f67@users.sourceforge.net> <12905e2c-f3ad-b7b9-78e1-4604e38f8a8e@gmail.com> <01915166-1963-62c6-4184-bdb66bb1ac77@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EQ6iT1RMDmiRP6nB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <01915166-1963-62c6-4184-bdb66bb1ac77@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt 2.2.7; VIM - Vi IMproved 9.0 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:e8NFrQ5F6UT5agH7OpI8KtjKpvSuDQFEf+Po0vMH1QwyaJzDhu7 fArN+zvpqeK1EouzQOVMH9jokxwG+2YffofHr382J31sFKobESjJ+IMd51NcyeduLZa5lWw B8qZEzi1iBAFwL6d9YdtCJ4Omx8cayL1pFsA0zog8123/HxNkHhD9R7juk1n6EY61oViJYp j6T9UrX85pn99h9yc6L0A== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:/lOMAybMSSM=:vpPnlYlykWl1ug7eC2bhud 96GQyx3HPolGluDGhJKhS1qckDCm30dTgkoEqvtHBRqDPYhZnBvpDPqZoCi3Hja8+7ASC9K4+ EMpGnuD23fHX8aG6cFACF6PGNdQk0Ce2UloGiG7bSy06qaFit6u2xZLCOnFi8UK2T9fYmsibl WaMbL8IoulIiua7re8/ysppqt7DY2/tysnwpllRNhNfGFovVgVRSsgCLmzR89OpdivQojx0Nl h/yI/AAteViXrYx+sSeuREs0pQwYodQp4qlf8p/rAlwG8Zxl2uljtUoLCfvD5pRcHHG1VKT1u jZmwk0xLl1vspop3W0Ek0F7PfBoSkwbuuRLGEPTz7L4Ic4VryjM70nNVQDvC4QCt9SMziJCkr nzJTwNwsLyxkvUWz1xZoZNSaEHNa/168Kb6mK+tIqliBGCLp6JKzZxWmo4j2MucQBscsuemi1 DEfbvj1LQxnsCdea0QVK+IhBF/XRq2WeZ/LQyzD7SBayorcLCHwiXvk1th1L1S2Xe+Lnu7V/X uq+w1yYWmdW4k2tkLSJyElIOWSPaDGqpbHi6PWIelTEvnV2KGhoJ6CLL5EQZyqsHprdOg1s0o fFnMV6dmIaWg7rVccZ/pp4RuNlFVoLFof7jfynuSREEL/wDHIHk3B+Ei3c6k9m6teHrDpsHTD 5hfrS6ddkWC5gZNuWmHZuWDZp3H0M4j0zi6ReWn6vu55SU56Z6Yp9jFh7clsQJ9Qbxj+AFbnr OIApNzpbibDYM5wrm4KXbqQswHXfadGAbH0E4xDxuOH0VLEXnWR8qdFaiXlaG4P9h1VQdL4p6 QEqFKGDPz1wpbO6GjOBeXFWjw/EGjEDxLHHHKu0uULyoNnxOu9QTRMa6svOVKAudWIqq8fbOz vEnZV+202UgnYmntmwLkJ130jR6kEs8YCjhRqH+NVe4s1Eu8sl5fiMZ/P/OYT9Yv+LpPyCgVB HYVWnrxDSjkvK1xWfqhxkLHxh08T0QBB8riMwHdChGwkaBLPQkxM76u7OPteizQn38uRdV+fz t3YRs+tQst09PDxDzg0DdEi+NVH2o3uOA06BZEgnvuKHr7q5zUuGnN+pAxe99a57bD3K8moed gckTpsLJn1wPWye14TR1s0FNHxzezmvaDfp X-Archives-Salt: c44a214a-916b-4835-9e3a-f107295f4fa4 X-Archives-Hash: bfdc92475bc9a11c869ee87653a678d3 --EQ6iT1RMDmiRP6nB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 12:49:56AM -0500 schrieb Dale: > > I run a raspi with some basic services, most importantly a pihole DNS f= ilter > > and a PIM server. But I find it hacky-patchy with its flimsy USB power = cable > > poking out of the side. I=E2=80=99d prefer a more sturdy construction, = which is why > > I bought a NAS-style PC (zotac zbox nano with a passive 6 W Celeron). B= ut > > that thing is so fast for every-day computing that I actually put a KDE > > system on it and now I don=E2=80=99t want to =E2=80=9Cdowngrade=E2=80= =9D it to a mere server. > > I googled that little guy and that is a pretty neat little machine.=C2=A0 > Basically it is a tiny puter but really tiny, just not tiny on > features.=C2=A0 The Zotac systems, even some older ones, are pretty nifty= =2E=C2=A0 I > think I read they have a ITX mobo which is really compact. ITX (or rather miniITX) is 17=C3=9717 cm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Min= i-ITX Those NUC-types are much smaller. I don=E2=80=99t quite know whether that b= oard form factor has a name of its own (aside from NUC, but that=E2=80=99s a marketin= g name =66rom Intel). > It sort of reminds me of a cell phone.=C2=A0 Small but fast CPUs, some ev= en > have decent amounts of ram so they can handle quite a lot.=C2=A0 Never he= ard of > this thing before.=C2=A0 I wouldn't mind having one of those to work as my > OpenVPN server thingy.=C2=A0 I'd just need to find one that has 2 ethernet > ports and designed for that sort of task.=C2=A0 Many of the ZBoxes have dual NICs, which is what makes them very popular among server and firewall hackers because they are also very frugal. My particular model is the CI331: https://www.zotac.com/us/product/mini_pcs/zbox-ci331-nano-barebone It has one 2,5=E2=80=B3 slot and one undocumented SATA M.2 which can only b= e reached by breaking the warranty seal. That=E2=80=99s where zotac installs a drive = if you buy a zbox with Winblows pre-installed. After updating the BIOS, which allowed the CPU to enter lower C states, it draws 6 W on idle. It=E2=80=99s not a record, but still not so much for a 2= 4/7 x86 system. > >> I have a old computer that I might could use.=C2=A0 It is 4 core somet= hing > >> and I think it has 4GBs of memory, maxed out.=C2=A0 I think it will pe= rform > >> well enough but wish it had a little more horses in it. > > An Intel Celeron from the Haswell generation (i.e. 8+ years old) did not > > have AES-NI yet, and it reached around 160 MB/s encryption speed. I tri= ed > > it, because I had dealings with those processors in the past before I b= uilt > > my own NAS. Your old tech may still be usable, but please also consider > > power cost and its impact on the environment if it runs 24/7. >=20 > I'm not real sure what that old machine has.=C2=A0 I have Linux, can't re= call > the distro tho, on it.=C2=A0 Is there a way to find out if it supports the > needed things? cat /proc/cpuinfo and look for aes or the like. Or enter the processor name into wikipedia, which will redirect you to the =E2=80=9CList of processors = by =E2=80=9D with huge tables of comparision and general info on= an architecture=E2=80=99s improvements over its predecessor, like AES. > >> I may use actual NAS software too. > > What is =E2=80=9Cactual NAS software=E2=80=9D? Do you mean a NAS distri= bution? From my > > understanding, those distros install the usual services (samba, ftp, et= c.) > > and develop a nice web frontend for it. But since those are web > > applications, there isn=E2=80=99t much to be gained from march=3Dnative. >=20 > I've seen TrueNAS, OpenNas I think and others.=C2=A0 Plus some just use > Ubuntu or something.=C2=A0 Honestly, almost any linux distro with no or a > minimal GUI would work.=C2=A0 OK, but then you don=E2=80=99t run those on Gentoo. And those NAS distros a= re so small and light-weight, they can be run from a USB stick if you so choose. My NAS=E2=80=99s mainboard has a USB-A socket on-board for that reason. > >> =C2=A0 I'm sure Gentoo would work to with proper tweaking but then I n= eed to > >> deal with compiling things.=C2=A0 Of course, no libreoffice or anythin= g big so > >> it may not be to bad.=C2=A0 Thing is, the NAS software will likely be = more > >> efficient since it is designed for the purpose.=C2=A0 > > More efficient than what? > I figure something like OpenNAS or TrueNAS would work better as it is > built to be user friendly and has tools by default to manage things.=C2=A0 Yeah, I was thinking of using one of those, too. But I liked the idea of being more flexible with some ZFS voodoo which the web interfaces won=E2=80= =99t allow. Like creating a downgraded pool because I don=E2=80=99t have enough = HDDs, filling that up and adding the missing disk later. Sometimes I wish for the bigger ease of use of a web interface. > I'm pretty sure they support RAID and such by default.=C2=A0 It is likely= set > up to make setting it up easier too.=C2=A0 They do, naturally. And yes, the frontends hide lots of the gory details. --=20 Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe | Greetings | Salut | Qapla=E2=80=99 Please do not share anything from, with or about me on any social network. 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