From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3073158094 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2022 21:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DEB1EE0967; Sun, 28 Aug 2022 21:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45A51E095C for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2022 21:34:35 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1661722468; bh=wUVbvf4rHdP6OiT6ntK8yvAhFLOtkFi1dX4EtK10ATc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=b3GStRHDH/7odPxC2hyvXZMGDn/NDHweffmVxuDv6OPGNb1t+XNnD90smWunfAT2C 7iNmHF4gW2W5Ba9Q7EWECw2ix4D74Df5gKFbBPJlR1VA7oTgM3z044MrwOpZHROlUQ gT7iOGfZalPCdn2BAU+3yfmMx5dJlvfb5elIZH/s= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from kern ([92.117.58.110]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N63RQ-1pU11w2Guu-016Nld for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2022 23:34:28 +0200 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 23:34:27 +0200 From: Frank Steinmetzger To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Getting maximum space out of a hard drive Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <289fe32e-2815-c361-ea80-73d8df539417@iinet.net.au> <6f3feff2-eac9-f6ec-4a3c-c511cf469603@gmail.com> <6e3ee99d-46da-4cdf-93ed-838591a50f67@users.sourceforge.net> <12905e2c-f3ad-b7b9-78e1-4604e38f8a8e@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MIbdlCyIyNvHWLlt" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt 2.2.7; VIM - Vi IMproved 9.0 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:QJCYaX4DmsAxJ3DkzVHDr8Qn5MmF5Slwf2fMKIPkzQYd+SlksKJ IqFMws9jcTytoGLSrCLfAly6gYPwS9KMurhCFlH97r4EofBg2CKhN0YpA97yGRZay5agO/Z Jy/cAwss0jE2UwaB3ankEGiJKS67DOiIYUBxGxct0XUfE1+dltoT+CAGoLDMNq1N3zm3dy1 8F99Qs/OvABQ7W38SNgMw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:spnvxZezksg=:fswtrLBz29gL7kzR+Z9Wgm Ku9Cjy5uhALdtWqXCvDNvw/xWw+OrDXoEo1pRQBAjXg0tddTOr5LN+hsK9l2toVLv7newaQUq lP7RhsQguaPsygL0zFT+Mo+7pQ06oLSG0VPFV35oIsDblBil5hV1Y6AvKX5yIyxyoQAfg2q9K rD71SNVxOvf9hUjyh6bn8O53qi2m4Mb8eAS5+y8Qj1hwMRYhwAJAZEqXNMYGks7AesuoaaYJ3 sz82YnXd0eLq54qDLBd3odRjeSbp/IF8ff1mPteHPpfmQQDn3t24N4zpmpMDQOC+/lOsRjop9 hToutw7BStKSlQoF4CAThZ8u6wndOEZM6vNsvcjJGSsDuuEHlpLqDRV/nLcHE9fqR4eK26LZV Mx6AfdPZ5uA/tzzPxju0dRTXVOW6xojxB0U2m/3QhjV3Vpa8EKzN/LuY7aHpOhwpKbn804vcs OWJbWrdgZXqPlW6e1IQHCpN19d3hLsrDiq4h3Kd2rn2nJMd3TAocLmLDySZgeW1biFLfL0fiq ZunYu2yqMXECVhgfgLpg527HoGMAgsuPI1RPb/xMp2M4qvEX+MSdkTteUDLy3l53OyLxx6HsD u0MKezC0fuiXebPYv6tyEypCwk52GWyS6T1UjuInMLDyAn/eiJq5PR20WCuHIaDmASm2PNCWB JiVo2qYFreOkbZU256Z093nyHqjL8NZF0LLGd2X4aVA2cw4idMdhYKrUMXX7nf22zmncBbuvB pHmqdsNxYom3dPDl6WFoQzHS0kQnrn5yR3d9fHzjLMv8B0XqAlMwVnk3Q5aJl9vDmlCYd0q1t WZ52svSHnhx+u/4/I2QBtUAsXQsfwz8rNcEAs62naUWPfqKa5A+9cKCct59Qfon7aaWl5qYcs qC+9oF0av37gp2H3Ep72pA1g9mXX6N07JPcZm401IwnW3puMs4wPrTCaNVGjCaA+Oia53UPab x9z2xyyukbpHU27ZPBbFA4/PTtCozP7J7roMopqJtYWz8Qh/uDu2Bi8wr990rXwuq60NKVrsz ao0GVONvs/SYnhYVxCev6KfpQlkp+d52VIlHRYJJQDhq6izMpg99HrrCC61+Rc30fsTOLVdPJ dhIoSY+xnadRwTOuoPQqAoB5s3lZ2lNJoMI X-Archives-Salt: be1c0c07-ca99-4deb-a360-4b260985b5b5 X-Archives-Hash: 16af473ea500c13a8670b32f06476d7a --MIbdlCyIyNvHWLlt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 06:26:39AM -0500 schrieb Dale: > I looked into the Raspberry and the newest version, about $150 now, > doesn't even have SATA ports.=C2=A0 I can add a thing called a "hat" I th= ink > that adds a couple but thing is, that costs more and still isn't > enough. I run a raspi with some basic services, most importantly a pihole DNS filter and a PIM server. But I find it hacky-patchy with its flimsy USB power cable poking out of the side. I=E2=80=99d prefer a more sturdy construction, whic= h is why I bought a NAS-style PC (zotac zbox nano with a passive 6 W Celeron). But that thing is so fast for every-day computing that I actually put a KDE system on it and now I don=E2=80=99t want to =E2=80=9Cdowngrade=E2=80=9D it= to a mere server. > I have a old computer that I might could use.=C2=A0 It is 4 core something > and I think it has 4GBs of memory, maxed out.=C2=A0 I think it will perfo= rm > well enough but wish it had a little more horses in it. An Intel Celeron from the Haswell generation (i.e. 8+ years old) did not have AES-NI yet, and it reached around 160 MB/s encryption speed. I tried it, because I had dealings with those processors in the past before I built my own NAS. Your old tech may still be usable, but please also consider power cost and its impact on the environment if it runs 24/7. > I looked at something called ITX but they have only one PCIe slot > usually.=C2=A0 That's not enough.=C2=A0 I'd like to have two 6 or 8 port = SATA > cards.=C2=A0 Then balance the drives on each.=C2=A0 I think some of the t= hrough > put is shared so the more drives on it, the slower it can be.=C2=A0 I'd l= ike > to have two such cards. 12 or 16 drives should be enough to last a > while. > > Part of me wants to do RAID but not sure about that. Dealing with so many drives, I think there=E2=80=99s no getting around RAID= =2E All drives fail. The more drives you have, the earlier the first failure. With that many drives, I wouldn=E2=80=99t want to handle syncs between them by h= and in order to get redundancy or backups of backups. > While I don't think I need a super powerful machine, I do want enough > that it will perform well. The question is: what do you need it to perform? If it=E2=80=99s just stori= ng and serving files, save the bucks and use any low-end x86 processor with AES instructions. My NAS first ran on the above mentioned Celeron, but later I did upgrade to a low-power i3 (because the case=C2=B9 is very cramped, I do= n=E2=80=99t want too much heat in there). It is a dual-core with SMT and AES at 35 W. IIRC, it can encrypt around 800-something MB/s. And that is an old i3-4170. Modern chips are most probably much faster still. > I may use actual NAS software too. What is =E2=80=9Cactual NAS software=E2=80=9D? Do you mean a NAS distributi= on? From my understanding, those distros install the usual services (samba, ftp, etc.) and develop a nice web frontend for it. But since those are web applications, there isn=E2=80=99t much to be gained from march=3Dnative. I still run Gentoo on my NAS, just for the old habit and because it comes with ZFS right out of the box. But the services I still configure the classical way =E2=80=93 ssh, vim and config files. > =C2=A0 I'm sure Gentoo would work to with proper tweaking but then I need= to > deal with compiling things.=C2=A0 Of course, no libreoffice or anything b= ig so > it may not be to bad.=C2=A0 Thing is, the NAS software will likely be more > efficient since it is designed for the purpose.=C2=A0 More efficient than what? My NAS is powered up every few weeks or often months. And then the first thing I do is=E2=80=94of cours=E2=80=94a world update. And as you mentioned= , the install base is rather small. No graphical stuff whatsoever (server board, small ASMedia VGA chip on-board, no Intel graphics). The biggest pkgs are gcc (around 2 hours build time) and llvm. The rest is user land stuff that helps me in dealing with the media files the NAS serves. Mkvtoolnix is a compile hog at around half an hour. > I just know I need a proper machine for the task.=C2=A0 I'm getting lots = of > data fast now.=C2=A0 I hit the 80% mark overnight.=C2=A0 At 90%, I consid= er it > critical.=C2=A0 Something must be done soon.=C2=A0 How about watching the spoils for a change instead of only ever downloading it? ;-) =C2=B9 https://www.inter-tech.de/en/products/ipc/storage-cases/sc-4100 --=20 Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe | Greetings | Salut | Qapla=E2=80=99 Please do not share anything from, with or about me on any social network. Everything has its two sides. 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