From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean wants to remove openrc. Yikes!
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:25:17 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YP2efTLJS0DrLrdm@ACM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210725164023.30b6b1ed@digimed.co.uk>
Hello, Neil.
On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 16:40:23 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 13:43:46 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > > It may be critical for *your* system ... :-)
> > Just as systemd is for your system. If you'd installed daemontools you
> > would also have come within a keystroke of destroying your system, just
> > as I did, on attempting emerge --depclean. You would have received no
> > warning of any kind on installing the package, and there would be no
> > documentation brought to your attention about the potential catastrophe.
> This is a valid point, that appears to have been obscured by some of the
> discussions about the cause. As to whether it would render the system
> unbootable, I have no idea, would daemontools have taken care of that.
And this is the main point of my complaint - the surprise, the shock, and
the innocence (as in opposite of guilty, not of wordly-wise) of the
victims. They have done nothing but installing a package in the normal
way. daemontools can only boot a system if it's been configured to do
so. That involves writing entries into /etc/inittab.
The number of people who would lose their systems by this mechanism is
likely very small, but that loss would probably involve a
re-installation. I mean all a victim has to go on is the fact that his
machine won't boot, combined with a memory of having run emerge
--depclean the night before.
My guess (for which I have little basis) would be that daemontools is
used more as part of the various qmail variants rather than as the prime
init system. I don't recall anybody on this list using d. rather than o.
or s. as their main init system. In fact, I wasn't even aware it was
possible, before looking it up on Wikipedia this afternoon.
> It seems that Rich's suggestion has the most merit, add a USE flag to
> daemontools to indicate that it is intended to be your service manager,
> and have the virtual require that flag. Yes, it would require a
> one-off rebuild of daemontools for everyone with it installed, but the
> potential for breakage would be removed.
Another idea I had today is to have two packages, daemontools and
daemontools-init, which would be identical, apart from the fact that only
the second of these would satisfy virtual/service-manager.
> If I had to allocate blame for this, I would say it is the virtual that
> is the cause of the problem. With the current setup, unmerging openrc is
> the only way for depclean to deal with it when you have daemontools in
> @world.
I can't help feeling that maybe portage has become too complicated.
> --
> Neil Bothwick
> Top Oxymorons Number 41: Good grief
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
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Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-07-21 20:06 [gentoo-user] --depclean wants to remove openrc. Yikes! Alan Mackenzie
2021-07-21 20:13 ` tastytea
2021-07-21 20:27 ` Neil Bothwick
2021-07-24 13:47 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-07-24 14:14 ` Rich Freeman
2021-07-24 14:46 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-07-24 14:58 ` Rich Freeman
2021-07-24 21:01 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-07-25 9:03 ` Neil Bothwick
2021-07-25 11:47 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-07-25 12:26 ` Wols Lists
2021-07-25 12:46 ` tastytea
2021-07-25 13:49 ` Dale
2021-07-25 13:59 ` Wols Lists
2021-07-25 14:24 ` Dale
2021-07-25 13:43 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-07-25 14:20 ` Dale
2021-07-25 15:40 ` Neil Bothwick
2021-07-25 16:31 ` [gentoo-user] " Martin Vaeth
2021-07-25 17:25 ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2021-07-25 22:03 ` [gentoo-user] " Neil Bothwick
2021-07-25 16:18 ` [gentoo-user] " Martin Vaeth
2021-07-25 18:05 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-07-25 19:54 ` Rich Freeman
2021-07-26 19:19 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-07-26 20:17 ` Rich Freeman
2021-07-29 20:24 ` Martin Vaeth
2021-07-29 20:32 ` Rich Freeman
2021-07-29 21:38 ` Martin Vaeth
2021-07-29 22:58 ` Rich Freeman
2021-07-25 22:32 ` Martin Vaeth
2021-07-26 19:01 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-07-27 9:28 ` Dr Rainer Woitok
2021-07-27 20:02 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-07-27 20:18 ` Neil Bothwick
2021-07-27 20:32 ` Michael Orlitzky
2021-07-27 20:58 ` Neil Bothwick
2021-07-27 21:06 ` Michael Orlitzky
2021-08-02 10:00 ` Dr Rainer Woitok
2021-08-02 11:54 ` Arve Barsnes
2021-08-02 13:33 ` Dr Rainer Woitok
2021-08-03 11:45 ` Alec Ten Harmsel
2021-08-03 12:44 ` Neil Bothwick
2021-08-04 10:52 ` Dr Rainer Woitok
2021-08-04 11:57 ` Philip Webb
2021-08-04 12:39 ` Nuno Silva
2021-08-04 18:38 ` Walter Dnes
2021-08-05 8:10 ` Dr Rainer Woitok
2021-08-06 7:33 ` Neil Bothwick
2021-08-06 8:55 ` Dr Rainer Woitok
2021-07-29 21:15 ` Martin Vaeth
2021-07-29 21:29 ` Grant Edwards
2021-07-29 21:46 ` Martin Vaeth
2021-07-29 22:55 ` Neil Bothwick
2021-07-30 18:30 ` Martin Vaeth
2021-07-30 20:26 ` Neil Bothwick
2021-07-26 0:39 ` [gentoo-user] " Michael Orlitzky
2021-07-26 0:52 ` Rich Freeman
2021-07-26 1:30 ` Michael Orlitzky
2021-07-25 12:44 ` Dale
2021-07-25 13:22 ` Neil Bothwick
2021-07-25 13:40 ` Dale
2021-07-24 15:03 ` Dale
2021-07-24 21:09 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-07-24 21:22 ` Dale
2021-07-25 7:09 ` Wols Lists
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