From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 522CC158020 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 00:06:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D4033E0935; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 00:06:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 368BBE08FE for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 00:06:42 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1670544395; bh=dU2NT2veafVDbeO5XJlKEXuV15AO9lhfO7m4JBmcfNo=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=UVxOVkH9480YnUAF/xcTznekMtMrQ+FMIamEa38QlaRPun2teNdmlzzi3wVPerU9E oadRksanOv/5+GsBmAnsyGmvezZoNQCJn+noDQLjburijRAp9dfrEnYJB47XIoyC7Z AyGZt0TlFEYtT5AV7LwlEH2QIut4fGxRHgNefFJg/Rf+Q2VACPJas4NDb5EGMdVsYT K6cFV3Xk642beDko2bpCvlfXXBzq0TEFfttBg5uyeMc0+k7x7jVLuOPtAspVCMO/6S ronqMdgfXjPgAnIUfnM26ZemVRK9tqc+tzanoHu/kreeFnpGyWZj1yAWm8tyNAVO58 lLHCe59MHYJoQ== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from schatulle ([92.117.59.32]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N3se8-1oufX9167U-00zjaL for ; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 01:06:35 +0100 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 01:06:33 +0100 From: Frank Steinmetzger To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] NAS and replacing with larger drives Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <9407e524-2226-6ba9-dd7f-bac635d083e3@gmail.com> <015b49e3-a7d4-45f0-1ffd-b9be97215a54@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RjTiPz1YgUwF4gpN" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <015b49e3-a7d4-45f0-1ffd-b9be97215a54@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt 2.2.9; VIM - Vi IMproved 9.0 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:nk21sdWw1IUrOE7OeFjwAWwyd/ToUsEHko4YOcw7ZHcR/z6pBp9 fKJk7mHBoG1Zx+5DeO/4dVhmuW2WiAYKG/4zfZBp6mRALzfpXoqtPPfgk6RWPaHbQA8DYTt 2e4A5WiIS0q8DdUUHD12KWBWRm6Z0KOOQAXK6v/HnAfbEu6Vqg7oVP4cM8l6MceCmPhNd1b zepsjV5MjgjZDEvm3atpg== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:3wCFpzOlfS4=;SX+tybmSiIlT9s937GAsKF7K+Kl FRTd573+5lxRRd2CrWoxy4mOSruxTUTZIpuESUoELYkBm5ibTUsSR8qStwn8Kvf5v//XpmjwA xI6KlIuj/9xarfqCNldXJH5bz3ZOkXpMny4NR7ADbV5d1BVxtAvImiPQ+GnIufrPqqu1qwqKV EuU+ERzLH9yldP6HYcrZ5s8axsvMp/ewi61PT6oko15E17eBbfo0ukbRprYerXtK3EC+WcCby p0mVe66IB74L0EJFjBa0wDtKRXdyWrQACj6S5JzlcGiJ1q6fm2Zrul06OsZthpFIFzt9Y40+5 ZJz9lkhW/NnTLeSW46ojQvUSUnGSmk4Q8bwM68qc9Cm3Cp8jubBI7FPvePTkdHuFrSW8b8JQE VMQpPZ6KX5CH6EHItWrU8SYK9Hz/VyjS7AOwYu8Wx6AyZHy/ll/fi8Q3YWuA/8wFwMyMeS0kj /nGFmG+8OWsMK59TsklyM7r0v/mDYWet4PFEEERrrSU8IMQ4H1Z8VcnWcBztIQ5ThRjFy5RDW wif1UNmp4UNBuYy4kLrHRUuhh+BBsgWDJfqVbpb/CcITu4bZIqCfq1GK4GGNlH6oqMJoPh5iv y8GKe2XD+ZTYDvppJDElPDAUzNML1yYEAWOwn22EOC4iCsPv96eiKJctvL67JvxiZELG5MbXt WyvRX1rGR263nzQEH/I/gb5opfVopJ//mp4J20K5ae8QUuj7kux4MhBZAySh/P9NPJpyk+tCl ZjrbsBrth6pSyeQhBxkaweEaCP+/KkiWIGMX7QR4Y0myu/UPuEARw+mkUn1IXEBey4bZ48nfN s12fZ/H6k2zacBAN2BtAg7SlG9cMRXOPUA0nSEdawtS4EUoZKN6bMhjS/f3MMF1TxQHQzLuC9 x7+xY00caorPx9EOO/N01+0Z7Gh5xT5q+FBqQkeTIGIfLixBWQKcYzHYju+eYWy/2grLPUkU+ lQdQWQ== X-Archives-Salt: 9a40f7eb-0dfe-4a5c-a6e9-dea0c9466a48 X-Archives-Hash: 4f021748f5f155d4209b554c4552cf0b --RjTiPz1YgUwF4gpN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Thu, Dec 08, 2022 at 05:30:18PM -0600 schrieb Dale: > > I use USB3 hard drives on Pis for my bulk storage because I care about > > capacity far more than performance, and with a distributed filesystem > > the performance is still good enough for what I'm doing. If I needed > > block storage for containers/VMs/whatever then use a different > > solution, but that gets expensive fast. > > [=E2=80=A6] > > From my understanding, you are right about USB3 and GB ethernet being > the big change.=C2=A0 They also have more memory and faster CPUs but if y= ou > bottleneck the data with slow USB and ethernet with the old ones, who > needs a fast CPU?=C2=A0 I think they realized that the USB and ethernet h= ad > to improve.=C2=A0 It got better from there.=C2=A0 >=20 > https://shop.allnetchina.cn/collections/sata-hat/products/dual-sata-hat-o= pen-frame-for-raspberry-pi-4 >=20 > I found the above.=C2=A0 From my understanding, it allows a SATA drive to > connect to either 2 or 4 bays. Looking at the pics, it looks all very wibbly-wobbly. You will either have the parts lying around open on a desk or you need to find a case for all that stuff which adheres to no industry standard form factor. Pi accessories are quite hard to come by, since they=E2=80=99re often sold out. > One thing I like about the Raspberry option, I can upgrade it later.=C2= =A0 I > can simply take out the old, put in new, upgrade done.=C2=A0 If I buy a > prebuilt NAS, they pretty much are what they are if upgrading isn't a > option. If you just do storage, what do you need upgrades for, anyway? All it needs to do is receive your data and write it to disk. And then return it later when asked for. I don=E2=80=99t remember you mentioning running VMs or some= such. Any current commercial NAS has enough oomph for that, unless it=E2=80=99s a= very cheap ARM-based one. (Only the ecryption part remains to be solved with a ready-made NAS.) > I just wonder, could I use that board and just hook it to my USB port > and a external power supply and skip the Raspberry Pi part?=C2=A0 I'd bet= not > tho.=C2=A0 ;-) =46rom a practical standpoint, what is the difference then to an HDD dock o= r a simple USB-SATA-Adapter? Except that a dock is a =E2=80=9Cproper=E2=80=9D, = clean solution with a nice case, a secure stand on your desk and no finnicky open SATA cables that could cause disconnects during operation if you touch them the wrong way. I know what it=E2=80=99s like to ponder all kinds of options, and it=E2=80= =99s fun. But it seems to me, you=E2=80=99re looking for a solution for a problem you=E2=80= =99re still looking for. --=20 Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe | Greetings | Salut | Qapla=E2=80=99 Please do not share anything from, with or about me on any social network. Someone who works a lot makes a lot of mistakes. 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