From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ABFE158020 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2022 13:54:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B6EBDE08FC; Sat, 17 Dec 2022 13:54:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1D7DE08E0 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2022 13:54:19 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1671285253; bh=Jxs26TKG1HbgMTi+bXcvWlxLOMW5dTzCCgmTLRqiKz8=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=bYs+T666q79kIDOpTrgxFRdnW7mu2O7qjrLDtrpLZiGlKQQSiQKayF3pTrqPCD0B2 h3LhFt1uRKqyX5uCuHKPPyG2Gf9xW8flOa6hOHLxBWR/nyf1XyP4nwpkfKyJr4InTO kEpfasjOzg4pPMIxdkM9WszNxB1KgF/GVLz880PlZlkNOzgGe901DlTwSYzc2bvrG5 QRi7/USoc96JDHVOYOaNvWOA3ls9SxVGxESuw32pPTyRaFi+TEHT4ASIaIyJq7uEkm VNtK2oTKCse9bw993WD8pF+FqYiZFMNHKX+9WQxLP2xp2FJ2OYb2ui1Hm3jVbf/lOr U0BTiuME+KkcA== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from tp ([92.117.59.23]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MsHs0-1on4og3kLK-00toCa for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2022 14:54:13 +0100 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2022 14:54:10 +0100 From: Frank Steinmetzger To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] NAS and replacing with larger drives Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <9407e524-2226-6ba9-dd7f-bac635d083e3@gmail.com> <10b30d8a-5c5d-a80a-e659-b5624e2848e4@gmail.com> <78c2c83f-fdd8-5c9b-3ac3-7c22bc4b5d64@gmail.com> <0a10c428-94f1-6112-4d88-c97143f9564d@gmail.com> <75259c5e-5b01-2c4b-9eeb-08eaf81a44fc@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WvpmMYj8mnheC4As" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <75259c5e-5b01-2c4b-9eeb-08eaf81a44fc@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt 2.2.9; VIM - Vi IMproved 9.0 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:hvadBrQXuwwrdzFvBpnwMFMIPbqc7kw9yFJPjuhMCL5cZ4rRPhu Q+IEGAniCziGtDuj/qqe0gwUzJ2YqU1VxhfeKMVEQ2mwDtMADCAzWnJjQTKe6eLMBWYYORP UuaIc9J2qEnTZZxsgqTgl5sHXyhTr1+sC2QsvHAsVAMGEQUbQx+ia1XYYHt9uCUi0NKvP2A wqudG8XqkP/2bLl2mc08g== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:gXexsHe0GHI=;PbmSvC6GjPljVeXQjqPCFFAHZSS vC5GQne5CgHNATOa8ygUz3mT2cDA7gD1ZqfxvScw8ovH0E+txECy+v3GCx4/Cu/2lxwyZ3Hby sqUgZHQb6rEJWwqTZLcRVsnffzYdW8Z7WNYZFBlaJsL5yL5F67v21S14OtdTLHxxVxgd62fuS c1zULTXcGWcDn2OM7os6vuQbFTQF25HROeixi6FX4sYhYxAYycBwI6hlKArRYeAT1cVK/f4FO 3Il2yKhQ/Z0v86VVqMJCkwIn771IzTWdAHeMW7bbs8tWBJ3tsMouND6jzD2SHc683qksMPWnK O25mqISHX2EPy+HfZhA46WK83ZYumEjZRb5FPcge2xVHT68RsRAGc2CJCaIEk/+ijOQbKYIHl bjmWVJ03qKElcv+cD+pvdvOyuJEKTX13FC8dQVOq3G2peyzSRM70gytmPSAcbv4zqKCdoaYm3 KgmsYJqHKHKtEANqBmZ2Pkwpze3LFPxFlo/d3uhxBL61PcTLES1QTuIfgLVhhAc5Uhrf0qFQ/ IaKNGOnRlRwW3h9k0taWC+bQ7bDnNaEuKpSzUAnb1iB5AQTbi3MW1TMFT21xLMx07SvCPNyfC e1rp16oV//N3BcxUaWe8vozMvR+0Ta/7jElWetbRicYvrFjA5+mq2S/2jSyRUSB3KVoyIXZzk K+nItvuaUfgbVemuIhTH5T6SNTd2Y5myDc1/gNohj2Y3gHVhgpwhvjXwKKdKar4JegafdlNWm E9hev6jg8KwZaOpdM+zWOPXJRAw2ZJLA1woStDM/jtsdMGG14BzRseRb/IGCY0Vn+/ECJxU4n hZFVmdUyGhOB8GG31tTzHc/aVurCesUsj8MRUgShyO0RfPcA8GMJgH66/5jiHivfCvZN16RRp 34pjMIWV194/7hBE8mFxIEofMeYCIPpuv1OoNF8ls7F38RzGjJZgv6TFbFVy91QRJeSc19m2L TTiz80PluppmalZcO9x+Zt/T1YY= X-Archives-Salt: cc889efc-a41e-417e-930c-873774634537 X-Archives-Hash: cd0be61aa9d1b6fd12b5ddf4ecdc09ea --WvpmMYj8mnheC4As Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 12:49:01AM -0600 schrieb Dale: > > While ZFS has the same pooling feature as LVM, meaning you can bunch se= veral > > disks together to create a JBOD, it has one big disadvantage over LVM: = you > > can grow a pool, but not shrink it. Actually, while reading up on stuff= for > > this thread, I learned that these days it is actually possible to remov= e a > > mirror vdev from a mirror-only pool (a mirror can technically also be a > > single device). But according to > > https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/solaris/ZFSWhyNoVdevRemoval > > it=E2=80=99s not perfect either. > > >=20 > One thing about LVM, I already know how to use it.=C2=A0 I've got notes on > how to do things and it has worked.=C2=A0 With ZFS I'd have to learn it a= ll > over again plus it could confuse me with my using LVM on my main rig.=C2= =A0 > In a way, if I build a Raspberry NAS, I'd like to have Linux and LVM on > the thing.=C2=A0 At least then I have experience moving data and such.=C2= =A0 Right > now, I don't even have the basics of ZFS or BSD.=C2=A0 I'm not saying Tru= eNAS > is bad or anything, just that I don't really care for the learning > curve.=C2=A0 Then the confusion part on top of that.=C2=A0 The beauty of the WebUI is that it abstracts all of that away. You don=E2= =80=99t have to be in the know about the inner works and create pools and vdevs by hand. Though it might be handy in case something breaks in an unexpected way. > I've read there are distros built for Raspberry thingys.=C2=A0 I'd be sho= cked > if it isn't doable.=C2=A0 I'd be shocked if someone hasn't already done it > even.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s called RaspberryPi OS (formerly knows as Raspbian). It has the= kernel, some start scripts and settings files that control which stuff to load at boot. Pis boot differently to x86 hardware; there is no Grub & co. I don=E2=80=99t particularly like Debian=E2=80=99s apt, which is why I=E2= =80=99m also experimenting with Arch on arm, Arch being my favorite distro for my everyday these days. --=20 Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe | Greetings | Salut | Qapla=E2=80=99 Please do not share anything from, with or about me on any social network. =E2=80=9COh, gravity, thou art a heartless bitch.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 Dr. Sh= eldon Cooper --WvpmMYj8mnheC4As Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEEVbE9o2D2lE5fhoVsizG+tUDUMMoFAmOdygAACgkQizG+tUDU MMquEhAAg2p5k7eHTCx560Otws5hGG3E4nR2lHMA+yZsww1t2xVoitEqkt22L3HD UudSkjBGOpvR/9egUJWOixooP9LY+hTmXTCZODLXOYGrqzXuTC6yX/vq+dSQ5KV5 kcOgui60TQAc8OxJXMmHdMUaL5iRoFZg8IF7fh5UuVeCxnrNF2doC9wbeJYVEYFY QAM/Og4wCUP47FXUDEdyV9xN1xQzOYTlIidw1/SK/2L71hB4dGmNTFMGBYE8yb/x GNOVfD05bkN3MYRwpRCsQh+WE0zdxJ46yX/z1J70JYPxCT+UI7C9HTgWXe/JTxnd 5mtit4qMT5uCHCLz3JkeGFk34Tp2CRHq/9ycLgHEzAKOvO/7qZdUIXrcR/1MsQcb vMnvV5sljCc6x/tE9iChD7f+WFqZKeXiHY72tq92tmXU9pfXOF6l2VbcRdFV2GDL xLYop8kPzewHuk0u7s5BfAJtSfl4w7Q43GTjWPLX1kEIDtmmVmPXmZyRSX1oDVa1 dYYXMbffSvY7Krt+ohma1OF/Y1/Rc5Umxl3TtwMwO2MX2XO8zdSZP8qcKRKRfXWV 12w2ywHnbu2Dn/M3LXwExXhghs+CY95xttTwTzHNdSAvEvhAeFQUyhnz2ImLaHG4 9YtkcYpJavuj3ef35z3hTdmaq1EsT+CODNYVJFtdA7aBKLrFJOM= =6G0Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WvpmMYj8mnheC4As--