From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8BD01382C5 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 14:21:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 59421E08BD; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 14:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4DA1E088F for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 14:21:47 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1608474094; bh=t2N3fUn0dlMhxmB3PFgKd2UFbspVTy18nWpfnRin/uU=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=EsBRgWsKn9vX0jrjHkOJaq+x/j7uZY4jcxF/N3QH/mAHUdCAS6tnkrxIPOrEi9nap A+DjJY+EAAVf/WsfO2gzFSTuZqFBh2m5znk2vyWd5CP42Oi1cmQfWJbyrAaOizF//g r8hMKQaVqyZWECtJpJkxaJMNw7IKrWe9MS7aGxLc= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from kern ([92.117.48.251]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M6Udt-1kk5hf0eAD-006yno for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 15:21:34 +0100 Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 15:21:32 +0100 From: Frank Steinmetzger To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Rearranging hard drives and data. Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <24197f31-80e7-6b33-f15e-0f3b59290464@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="G8kKIZu4rKOsxgT9" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <24197f31-80e7-6b33-f15e-0f3b59290464@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt 2.0.3; VIM - Vi IMproved 8.2 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:s9TB1gZ7MMmZJiEqcqVANNXkKMKpyblHoUGuTCEkRhzZECuLiGd YBTHB9sfitQtSThQjTPjIcVp8H5lWT7S4t11Yl7spigJ0SzxLBXU2TcnfCwgiCXM8HwUYMQ 61f2SYof8k/QCnnHoyukbzPfHmfeFVD5TonVgwt0+9LF8gK8AQ+xAMh4rYhRpFFc0vqv0ZE bTY3X6Op3BjpGRTigZMzQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:sMVR9+iqDks=:NTTMaCLLbDXCDp06RGm9kr f2nyJ75XJpxPD4UGlfM/Pq2OgOQ2pEy/1LGiamcyn5oCg/R+2UWe468SLkoNk6YMj63fbBpCi rx+25hj5AxTb2yWKN58rFLal39vL+fJ/5jDUGxSKAajdCmCNkkzRtfCF8FZ9C5bnUSfc1t2Q2 mRHXNiLa+KGC4A2X+4uwH7FkwZ/ftH6lFdab3zEjysv5J79ca2ylovZj9rX7Fu5BkMalLKCIL jk2ImQO5pV+Ugzbt8Jo0y0/4c1cvq69QTRyS4O5axGdYE6FXzOUt9xWoxIRJB9CiXji4HixlQ +omXFJ6Fl40rWwJsXvjL2NFkScwTThjbfUgmVnS8WwsZPxxIkJucZx5zrUbFmOfyBNTQiVBKc 37lUCjsDrnPLvDkoqxtFP1MHSk4sZJQst/E5bI+/kreIMzMLW7c1EBMlJIyQ3oSHpusMxIMOm kFhurShPuW1mFT+LtnIkBI+WIJYFkc94ifxvTrZ2mlgLEvSqEw9dRU/frLLsjpScgvg4yBDPf KkrZPRsY+Qu0DVwgoihXgr4jwruP+ZyMdHVw7p67pkYt8IGc+5AFU46KJRvKRvEF3tiLu1JkM bXo+GKOhcDFuYTCucLvybBwH/iKmVhCYmsOEePITjjLCV2uiDelKbdHPGx82B4S7c4CbDpNKz WuistVD3VUWFnlryRFeA9SzqWueTX/MEx3rpi1E0t9saDs1foDvDa+2qx6LSE8GMNxS3d3wmC Fdty1u78xWGoXx842x4F3u0GEaN0S+i3YJcmk4da+f5rwWCwY+mzuVIXTTSZGw7k2R3chCDG/ LeKgInrUIVcp1aLXkdNP3MR5k0hvUoz3nhOXgeuuuQQ/XJemAi4pDWPawKfI8L8p9jpmVnDW0 Kl9QPATPrGZgTiXPnZyQ== X-Archives-Salt: a588980a-90ae-4e4a-9fb4-708b663804cf X-Archives-Hash: 3ce2293bb309eafc9f33e0e21a218319 --G8kKIZu4rKOsxgT9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 09:01:21PM -0600 schrieb Dale: > > If you just want to use it as a file server, think of removing the video > > card. This will save considerable power. >=20 > It would be a good idea but it's a built in mobo video system.=C2=A0 If it > was a card, I'd likely do just that for the reason you give.=C2=A0 Ah, I see. > I just found a IBM ServeRaid M1015 card for like $40.00 shipping and > all.=C2=A0 It claims this:=C2=A0 "Connects to up to 16 SAS or SATA drives= ".=C2=A0 Given > the number of drives and the price, that's good bang for buck there.=C2=A0 Take not on wether it allows you to address the drives individually or if it only does its RAID thingy. For my own personal purposes, I'd never use anything that trust my data to a single hardware component. I've heard stories of raid cards that if they break, you need an identical replacement or the data is kaputt. For that reason I only ever used software RAID which makes me independent of the hardware underneath. > You may want to make note of that for the future.=C2=A0 Maybe you can fin= d a > good deal.=C2=A0 It has some good reviews.=C2=A0 I also found some good d= eals on > SAS drives, new even.=C2=A0 Some I found are pulls where they upgrade but > never used the drives.=C2=A0 If the price is right, I'm good with that.= =C2=A0 Sounds like a plan. > You may want to look on Ebay for a Fractal Node 804, maybe Amazon too.=C2= =A0 I was making suggestions for you, I am not looking myself. ;-) (Although sometimes I wonder whether I should go for a 6-bay system, because I am at around 80 % use of capacity now, and though shalt not go over that on ZFS. But I have loads of DVDs that I can still convert to more efficient compression, giving me back 100s of GB. That's a chore for the upcoming holidays. When I was planning the build, I think I also looked at the Node 304. But it was too big for my taste (I like it small and compact) and had no hot swap. I admit I never had any use for hotswapping yet, but it's nice to have and to see the idividual HDD leds do their stuff. :) > I bought a Cooler Master HAF-932 years ago.=C2=A0 As long as mobos fit in= it, > I'll use it for any future builds.=C2=A0 It has great cooling and quite a= bit > of hard drive spaces. My main PC case was chosen maxed out from the start for what I wanted to do with it: one system SSD, one data HDD, one ODD (mainly to watch and store video DVDs), one HDD hotswap bay (for old and external drives and for backups), space for a not-too-big GPU. It's been running fine for over 6 years now. Only downside: you get either well made cases, or compact cases. It seems both in one case is not available. My case is made from thin sheets, which makes the system louder to my ears than necessary. > Looks pretty good too.=C2=A0 I'm not into the LEDs and > all that stuff.=C2=A0 Just function, no glitzy stuff required.=C2=A0 Design is quite important for me. I don't want glossy surfaces, or aggressive gamer designs. I like black boxes. Go ask my ThinkPad or my Eizo monitor. :) > I likely need to jump into RAID but I just do backups.=C2=A0 Then hope fo= r the > best.=C2=A0 Weighing positives and negatives gets rough.=C2=A0 ;-) A bit OT now, going into the backup subject. I don't backup the NAS. People say RAID is not a backup. What they mean is backup from accidental deletion or malware attacks. To me, it is a backup, but from hardware defects. I use RaidZ2 (ZFS-speek for RAID 6), so any two of the four drives may fail without loss of data. But with four drives, this gives me a space efficiency of only 50 %, hence the thought of going 6-bay. The most regular "backup" I do is a unison sync of ~ and some other folders between PC and laptop. It is very fast and allows me to have everything that is important be up-to-date without much effort. But I've never backed up my teensie raspi (remember, it contains my PIM server) or my whole laptop ever since it got an upgrade to a 2 TB SSD. (My PC's data drive is only 1 TB.) Before I built my NAS, my largest drive was an external 3 TB USB drive. It was my main video storage (naturally w/o backup). Since I built the NAS, I've never used it again. So a few weeks ago, I repurposed it as my main backup drive. It's at least 6 years old, but only has ~280 hours on the meter. In the past, I only (semi-regularly) backed up my main PC via rsnapshot to an old 1 TB disk sitting permanently in the swap bay. I've always wanted to try out borg backup. Thanks to that, I now have a backup of my system, home and data partitions of my main PC *and* my laptop, plus the entire raspi. But due to to borg's deduplication magic, the 3 TB drive is only about half filled, even though it contains several weekly snapshots already, amounting to almost 7 TB across hosts. --=20 Gru=C3=9F | Greetings | Qapla=E2=80=99 Please do not share anything from, with or about me on any social network. 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