From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A3941382C5 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:20:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 439FBE0894; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:20:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97FBAE0822 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:20:49 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1608470437; bh=axkdHdnHVnK4jGYdXRs0/sFgvRWR6SWnpZwUsahLnuQ=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=B4fyux/JpYRvF/RFU/4Bth9hq6f8jJGiRtZtr+yO/avNgNrQuHECdiFK+s5QRWQOt Jg2bEDUrKF7doyeHgaGkEU4cxh0GPpkfxSQxx6hhYIcl8bAb5Cjsyx/p0T18UMxHPM ieYSUAx7du6RHa8MOmUouN5NqRI048esjPYWSt/8= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from kern ([92.117.48.251]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MDysg-1kyhrU3Y2u-009vva for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 14:20:36 +0100 Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 14:20:34 +0100 From: Frank Steinmetzger To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Rearranging hard drives and data. Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <6579330e-c7b2-29f6-9e02-a8cea7fffa49@youngman.org.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zERODKCxEUkOxHrA" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6579330e-c7b2-29f6-9e02-a8cea7fffa49@youngman.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt 2.0.3; VIM - Vi IMproved 8.2 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:fH9W5w5VJjGzvxDqvnlDpU5ylxBQk6Mg3RH6cpCKYSjqqr5e4lC ZMoWbpJNO+CYHV7qlbAOesMhJC4nfFPJzDuGRbng4Xt+r9v8Kl2K7iUBljbyIo3vQQKhiBE eRPcy+O7M1qdnDyfP2HLGL9MDg/+RFY+S3dNxMoy6EcCTFV64yqsoSzIkskIQEwuqaqwTBs DMUxlQFrmZ2FFMhtvAVpA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:eIG0eW5KLcY=:J91M70TdeK5YkN+2PWArPZ kzWsyh6S9G6LM2WjSZYFbTqAX4IpmgqeUYFnkd0Aj5AKnSy13CWUROBudOqAYW6tdEw9tOIU/ 9tm6PtqDCaO+Pa3zZEt82VBr26GnrozPdSkc/vcaZUwe1qTzouTNo5C7PzshyXpyVKV7nepqH 8fPN+cWyqK5UT2woxbV0FIhlN1TalI/RizNyfNi5LxH0TVzICNJ6u9/gcffqUbAaspoMZyE5J GDIBWB9AiKHKVILwg2t5Uh6pn7viAwghzRQ7M6grIhY44ZNIg2bYJjxFKWh2SKNQ2ZG+mRYuI M/UJj+4CiiWAM6Cvr+a8XU5q2laB4UevDXbzn90Txjk+tbtvy2N9pNLzQdVMGJFe2wfk9essK 5W48sH8Ax469nBoufl4kYc6fHHhPUMT1Ebu9CHIY20Cd8olcw89coCrQwMiyNuJFnR0JFCVEU J2axdmttrddU2miRTVqw8vkmO7zuS7IFMZfdzH3T/C8zT5GzyPmeCfYkvSjcEjYyy1LHyHd8s 6rHtSgAnGqyuPcmZCdXl/E2vsi8zGwG01h+3tGAFYrhJ4WEl1tNqLxP6hKUBLRoMDZOSY0G02 1/jWOwqKvy1ctYZlm8KlX6bVJT8sX6S/F5kfZHV/uLN068nKkVOycO/UyliBm9cevxzvxA4ah BDhL1VBLweAlAk0+N6UsShgNXGM3ll90ac6ZZIfbW6S7gV5KGnqgjSd5mvkW/y4Qpa00X4mRF hytJBM22pSMR/MxSnHaVN4sLSb/qL6/D9JH+36QHYLh8Voy+mdGi8CDEVN4VWy2YhF8g9NBbm 9vdWxcBIWkRTPVoxBqGIZlgiR3rypWZpG+y4ISXBqmKHtFM8pNwCFlKzrl/RBM/CbsnnJfiIN j6loNCVW6o7WaFdeh4Lw== X-Archives-Salt: ad3af8db-d438-45eb-beb7-60c48488dadd X-Archives-Hash: 1c7d80d0988d4db9711cbcbe73d6833a --zERODKCxEUkOxHrA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 10:03:14AM +0000 schrieb antlists: > On 20/12/2020 01:06, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > > Looking at 4 TB WD drives as an example, the cheapest > > SAS drive started at 145 =E2=82=AC, but a WD RED NAS drive (intended for > > uninterrupted operation) at 93 =E2=82=AC. >=20 > BEWARE OF WD REDS !!! >=20 > They *U*S*E*D* to have a good reputation. They are STILL marketed as > NAS/RAID drives but are pretty much guaranteed to dump your raid into an > unrecoverable mess once something goes wrong. I am aware of the problem and that we (actually through Dale) had this topic on this list. I built my NAS in 2017, IIRC, and back then there were no EFAX drives around. First I only bought two drives -- from two different retailers in order to minimise risk of batch failure. One year, when space became scarce, I filled the remaining two slots. I'm not really a WD fanboy in any way, but if I bought HDDs (which doesn't happen often to begin with) I always chose WD, because their model lines were easy to grasp through the colour codes. There is a saying in German tech culture: "Entweder sie geht oder sie geht nicht." (either it works or it doesn't). The pun is on the pronunciation of "sie geht" (it works), which sounds exactly like Seagate. =E2=86=92 "Either= Seagate or Seagate... not." --=20 Gru=C3=9F | Greetings | Qapla=E2=80=99 Please do not share anything from, with or about me on any social network. Why marry? 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