From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B0961382C5 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 23:01:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D3A22BC0FD; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 23:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pmta11.teksavvy.com (pmta11.teksavvy.com [76.10.157.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D41C42BC0F6 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 23:01:34 +0000 (UTC) IronPort-SDR: S5d3+ZsktN0VoHszIQObuFANj37wLpNdIuPqfryXmFvO65wNQ+K3JmNgfXkLywLOhdiGr8dZJE vJ9W84xgaYcg== X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2F8CQAItOtf/yHkSC1iHgEBCxIMQAe?= =?us-ascii?q?EaVdhiHOEUIYSghU7m0M8CwEBAQEBAQEBARwIEQECBAEBAoRCBAICgXEmOBM?= =?us-ascii?q?CAwEBCwEBAQUBAQEBAQYEAgKGTgyCc2I9DT0BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEFAg1USSAGOhwVHgs0EhBHGYMngwawXoE0hVi?= =?us-ascii?q?EeIE4jSlBP4ECP4QqPoULhSsEgxo1AYFtZxgxjxcLCjuMRIEXmjoKgnaBGAa?= =?us-ascii?q?IDI8/gxGDKYEujjcjjx+dMZojgXt9CIMkCUcZDVeRO4p2JjA3AgYKAQEDCVc?= =?us-ascii?q?BjUwBAQ?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2F8CQAItOtf/yHkSC1iHgEBCxIMQAeEaVdhiHOEUIYSg?= =?us-ascii?q?hU7m0M8CwEBAQEBAQEBARwIEQECBAEBAoRCBAICgXEmOBMCAwEBCwEBAQUBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQYEAgKGTgyCc2I9DT0BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEFAg1USSAGOhwVHgs0EhBHGYMngwawXoE0hViEeIE4jSlBP4ECP?= =?us-ascii?q?4QqPoULhSsEgxo1AYFtZxgxjxcLCjuMRIEXmjoKgnaBGAaIDI8/gxGDKYEuj?= =?us-ascii?q?jcjjx+dMZojgXt9CIMkCUcZDVeRO4p2JjA3AgYKAQEDCVcBjUwBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.78,459,1599537600"; d="scan'208";a="153921127" Received: from 45-72-228-33.cpe.teksavvy.com (HELO waltdnes.org) ([45.72.228.33]) by smtp11.teksavvy.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2020 18:01:33 -0500 Received: by waltdnes.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:01:18 -0500 From: "Walter Dnes" Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:01:18 -0500 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] ncurses; I think I wrecked my fresh install Message-ID: References: <9095281.eNJFYEL58v@noumea> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9095281.eNJFYEL58v@noumea> X-Archives-Salt: 6afbf1e9-55d1-4026-925c-a48f2d07a50a X-Archives-Hash: 39f7e007a430b5e8cc2e10cb28302b51 On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 05:11:36PM +0200, Andreas K. Huettel wrote > Hi Walter, > > > "-pch -roaming -sendmail -spell -tcpd -udev -udisks -unicode -upower > > -xinerama" > > mostly out of curiosity, why do you want to disable unicode support > here? > > This feels odd to me since utf8 has effectively become the standard > encoding over the past years. I don't know if this has improved over the years, but my initial experience with unicode was rather negative. The fact that text files were twice as large wasn't a major problem in itself. The real showstopper was that importing text files into spreadsheets and text-editors and word processors failed miseraby. I looked at a unicode text file with a binary viewer. It turns out that a simple text string like "1234" was actually... "1" binary-zero "2" binary-zero "3" binary-zero "4" binary zero, etc. This padding explains why the file was twice as large, and also why "a simple textfile import" failed miserably. On top of that Cyrillic letters like "m", "i", "c", and "o" are considered different from their English equivalants. Security experts showed proof-of-cocept attacks where clicking on "microsoft.com" can take you to a hostile domain (queue the jokes). I don't speak or read or write any languages which have thousands of unique characters. Seeing Chinese spam "as it was intended to be seen", is not a priority for me. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications