[gentoo-user] vim-in-pine problem

[gentoo-user] vim-in-pine problem

[Jorge Almeida]

I'm having a problem when  composing mail in a ssh session since I 
upgraded the remote kernel to 2.6.17-gentoo-r8 (I had 2.6.17-gentoo-r7 before). 
I'm using vim to compose a message in pine and suddenly it stops 
responding (nothing happens, whatever key I press). I have to kill the 
session (by killing the window). On the other hand, if I use the embedded 
pico to compose, there's no problem. Moreover, I had several ssh sessions 
active, and they responded as usual, so it's not as the connection went 
down...

I always compose messages this way and never had this kind of problem. It 
happened twice since yesterday, when I upgraded the kernel (can figure out 
what else can be...).  The local kernel is the same (and it was upgraded 
some time ago).

Is there something I can do to try to find the culprit? (Using pico is a 
real pain, I'm already tired after writing this message!)
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Re: [gentoo-user] vim-in-pine problem

[Willie Wong]

On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 07:09:16PM +0100, Penguin Lover Jorge Almeida squawked:
> I'm having a problem when  composing mail in a ssh session since I 
> upgraded the remote kernel to 2.6.17-gentoo-r8 (I had 2.6.17-gentoo-r7 
> before). I'm using vim to compose a message in pine and suddenly it stops 
> responding (nothing happens, whatever key I press). I have to kill the 
> session (by killing the window). On the other hand, if I use the embedded 
> pico to compose, there's no problem. Moreover, I had several ssh sessions 
> active, and they responded as usual, so it's not as the connection went 
> down...
> 
> I always compose messages this way and never had this kind of problem. It 
> happened twice since yesterday, when I upgraded the kernel (can figure out 
> what else can be...).  The local kernel is the same (and it was upgraded 
> some time ago).
> 
> Is there something I can do to try to find the culprit? (Using pico is a 
> real pain, I'm already tired after writing this message!)

Do you have physical access to the remote machine? If you do, try and
see if you can reproduce it locally at the remote machine, just to
rule out ssh being the culprit. (Or perhaps you can try running pine
in a screen session. If ssh is alive, and vim is AWOL, you should be
able to C-a C-d and detach the screen session.)

Did you upgrade vim? or Pine? What versions of those are you running?

If you suspect the kernel is the problem, is there anything in the
logs? (dmesg or otherwise). 

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Re: [gentoo-user] vim-in-pine problem

[Jorge Almeida]

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006, Willie Wong wrote:
>>
>> Is there something I can do to try to find the culprit? (Using pico is a
>> real pain, I'm already tired after writing this message!)
>
> Do you have physical access to the remote machine? If you do, try and
> see if you can reproduce it locally at the remote machine, just to
Not until monday. But I sent mail yesterday at that box, and didn't
notice anything wrong.
> rule out ssh being the culprit. (Or perhaps you can try running pine
> in a screen session. If ssh is alive, and vim is AWOL, you should be
> able to C-a C-d and detach the screen session.)
I tried but the problem didn't manifest. Neither did it without screen
(it doesn't manifest always), so it's not conclusive...
>
> Did you upgrade vim? or Pine? What versions of those are you running?
I emerge sync and emerge -NDu world almost every day, so the versions are
the last stable ones (pine-4.64-r3 and vim-7.0.17). There was no upgrade
of either package in the last week...
>
> If you suspect the kernel is the problem, is there anything in the
> logs? (dmesg or otherwise).
I really can't imagine why the kernel would affect only the combination
ssh+pine+vim, but on the other hand there aren't many suspects!
Nothing in dmesg/logs...

My ISP is really crappy and the connection was not at its best, but, as
I said, other ssh sessions continued alive and responding well (I could
see the output of "ls" immediately, whereas I couldn't change mode, or
move arrows, in vim-in-pine. Note that I could use vim in other ssh
sessions, just not on pine!
>
Thanks.

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Re: [gentoo-user] vim-in-pine problem

[Willie Wong]

On Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 12:21:47AM +0100, Penguin Lover Jorge Almeida squawked:
> I tried but the problem didn't manifest. Neither did it without screen
> (it doesn't manifest always), so it's not conclusive...

My suspicion is still on ssh over a flaky connection. 

With only two incidents, I don't really see any way of pinpointing the
program at fault. For all we know it could be a problem with vim,
period, not even involving pine. Or it could be a problem with pine,
regarless of which editor you use. 

In any case, if the problem is transcient and not-reproducible, I
think you can stop worring about it. But if you know that your ISP is
horrible, I would really suggest doing all work in a screen session
when working on the remote machine.

HTH. 

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Re: [gentoo-user] vim-in-pine problem

[Jorge Almeida]

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006, Willie Wong wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 12:21:47AM +0100, Penguin Lover Jorge Almeida squawked:
>> I tried but the problem didn't manifest. Neither did it without screen
>> (it doesn't manifest always), so it's not conclusive...
>
> My suspicion is still on ssh over a flaky connection.
>
> With only two incidents, I don't really see any way of pinpointing the
> program at fault. For all we know it could be a problem with vim,
> period, not even involving pine. Or it could be a problem with pine,
> regarless of which editor you use.
>
> In any case, if the problem is transcient and not-reproducible, I
> think you can stop worring about it. But if you know that your ISP is
Yes, I'll wait and see...
> horrible, I would really suggest doing all work in a screen session
> when working on the remote machine.
Seems a good idea, at least to preserve half-done work...
>
> HTH.
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] vim-in-pine problem

[Philip Webb]

061020 Jorge Almeida wrote:
> I'm having a problem composing mail in a ssh session
> since I upgraded the remote kernel to 2.6.17-gentoo-r8 .
> I'm using vim to compose a message in pine
> and suddenly it stops responding (nothing happens, whatever key I press).

Just a suggestion, if nothing else helps quickly: try Mutt instead of Pine.
Mutt is more featureful, better supported & works well with Vim.

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Re: [gentoo-user] vim-in-pine problem

[Jorge Almeida]

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Philip Webb wrote:

> 061020 Jorge Almeida wrote:
>> I'm having a problem composing mail in a ssh session
>> since I upgraded the remote kernel to 2.6.17-gentoo-r8 .
>> I'm using vim to compose a message in pine
>> and suddenly it stops responding (nothing happens, whatever key I press).
>
> Just a suggestion, if nothing else helps quickly: try Mutt instead of Pine.
> Mutt is more featureful, better supported & works well with Vim.
>
I tried mutt more than a year ago, when I didn't know that I could use
vim with pine, instead of the embedded pico. I don't really remember why
I didn't stick with mutt, but I know there were some reasons (colors?
difficult to configure? I think there was something else too).
Anyway, pine has proven good enough, till now. Once in a while, when
there's some mail with visual contents, I use thunderbird, through a ssh
tunnel.

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Re: [gentoo-user] vim-in-pine problem

[Philip Webb]

061021 Jorge Almeida wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Philip Webb wrote:
>> if nothing else helps quickly: try Mutt instead of Pine.
>> Mutt is more featureful, better supported & works well with Vim.
> I tried mutt more than a year ago, when I didn't know
> that I could use vim with pine, instead of the embedded pico.
> I don't really remember why I didn't stick with mutt,
> but I know there were some reasons: colors? difficult to configure?

Yes, you need to read 'man muttrc' & set up  ~/.muttrc  to your tastes.

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Re: [gentoo-user] vim-in-pine problem

[Jorge Almeida]

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Philip Webb wrote:

>> I don't really remember why I didn't stick with mutt,
>> but I know there were some reasons: colors? difficult to configure?
>
> Yes, you need to read 'man muttrc' & set up  ~/.muttrc  to your tastes.
>
There was something else...Asking for password too many times?
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Re: [gentoo-user] vim-in-pine problem

[Bryan Whitehead]

For me it was already having known all the pine keys... mutt isn't that 
much better to justify months of readjusting to a new email reader...

Jorge Almeida wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Philip Webb wrote:
>
>>> I don't really remember why I didn't stick with mutt,
>>> but I know there were some reasons: colors? difficult to configure?
>>
>> Yes, you need to read 'man muttrc' & set up  ~/.muttrc  to your tastes.
>>
> There was something else...Asking for password too many times?

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