[gentoo-user] Completness of AVR toolset in dev-embedded?

[gentoo-user] Completness of AVR toolset in dev-embedded?

[Petr Kocmid]

I wander, what's the point of having (noncompilable) dev-embedded/avr-libc in 
portage when there is no avr-gcc nor avr-binutils?

However, I found some overlay ebuilds for avr toolset at 
http://gentoo.zugaina.org/erazor-zone/dev-embedded.html.en
going to try it.

Petr
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[gentoo-user] Re: Completness of AVR toolset in dev-embedded?

[James]

Petr Kocmid <Petr.Kocmid <at> project-bhairava.org> writes:


> I wander, what's the point of having (noncompilable) dev-embedded/avr-libc in 
> portage when there is no avr-gcc nor avr-binutils?

No good reason for this....

> However, I found some overlay ebuilds for avr toolset at 
> http://gentoo.zugaina.org/erazor-zone/dev-embedded.html.en
> going to try it.

Well, in my experience with Gentoo, what's available in portage, is a function
of what the 'devs' are interested in. Indeed every packages in portage
needs an evangelist to keep it current and correctly patched. It seems that
none of the devs are much interested in firmware, assembler, (8-16) bit 
micro-Controllers and many things related to embedded software development.
The answer is to find an embedded person that can 'get qualified' as a dev
thereby supporting the needs of the firmware community, in my opinion.

It's a *DAM SHAM*

Micro-Controllers, state machines and minimal executives are the heart of where
electronics meet computer science.

I often used Debian, as it seem to much more agressive in supporting the needs
of the embedded communities.... Other gravitate to LFS (linux from scratch)
or other distros that are more interested in supporting the needs of the
embedded communities.

There is a gentoo-embedded group, but it seems to be limited to
x86 and PPC architectures.


If I'm really desperate, I look at bugs.gentoo.org to find folks that
have posted bugs, revision update requests, and such and send them
email directly for ideas, and patched software builds.

'Portage Overlay' is often used when a person, with embedded tendencies,
attempts to create/hack an ebuild for the greater embedded community. We
are orphans with Gentoo.

YMMV
(peace to all)

James



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Completness of AVR toolset in dev-embedded?

[Petr Kocmid]

On Monday 17 April 2006 13:48, James wrote:
> Petr Kocmid <Petr.Kocmid <at> project-bhairava.org> writes:
> > I wander, what's the point of having (noncompilable)
> > dev-embedded/avr-libc in portage when there is no avr-gcc nor
> > avr-binutils?
> No good reason for this....

Well, now I found one: one needs to be a clearvoyant to detect that 
dev-embedded/avr-libc is probably supposed to be used with sys-devel/crossdev 
toolset generator.

However, for now I am quite satisfied better with Ycarus's overlay ebuilds 
from zugaina.org.

> Well, in my experience with Gentoo, what's available in portage, is a
> function of what the 'devs' are interested in. Indeed every packages in
> portage needs an evangelist to keep it current and correctly patched. It
> seems that none of the devs are much interested in firmware, assembler,
> (8-16) bit micro-Controllers and many things related to embedded software
> development. The answer is to find an embedded person that can 'get
> qualified' as a dev thereby supporting the needs of the firmware community,
> in my opinion.
>
> It's a *DAM SHAM*
>
> Micro-Controllers, state machines and minimal executives are the heart of
> where electronics meet computer science.

Verily you hit the Truth! As someone who spent my young age coding on 
mainframes AND building 8-bits, I am quite dissatisfied with fact today's 
young computer specialists either have no [soldering+assembler] skills or 
they can't read in any of prolog/lisp/scheme/haskell, or both. It's really 
causing a major technology slowdown, where are all those servicing robots we 
in 80's were expecting to have in 2000 at our homes? ;-) Sorry everyone for 
shifting off topic.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Completness of AVR toolset in dev-embedded?

[Sascha Lucas]

On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Petr Kocmid wrote:

> Well, now I found one: one needs to be a clearvoyant to detect that
> dev-embedded/avr-libc is probably supposed to be used with sys-devel/crossdev
> toolset generator.

right.

# crossdev -t avr

builds avr-libc / avr-gcc-3.4.6 / avr-bin-utils-2.16.1-r2

very easy...

Sascha.
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