* [gentoo-user] Re: new system, printing suddenly fails for all printers
2009-07-03 0:46 [gentoo-user] " Alan E. Davis
@ 2009-07-03 14:02 ` walt
2009-07-03 15:48 ` Alan E. Davis
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: walt @ 2009-07-03 14:02 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 07/02/2009 05:46 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> I've been wrangling with a new gentoo install, on an AMD X2 64 bit
> machine. It's been a problematic experience, but when the system works
> right, it works really right.
>
> Printing has suddenly failed. I had installed foo2zjs in support of an
> HP P1005 printer, but it was masked by ~amd64. Then foomatic-db
> collided, so I upped that to ~amd64. Meanwhile, and I'm not sure this
> was the problem, the printer that had been working, and the deskjet that
> had also been working both started to fail. I've been wrestling with
> many issues, including alsa. There isn't any sound, and I"ve finally
> compiled a genkernel but the sound isn't working, neither is printing.
I've had both problems several times in the past, always caused by dumb
things that, of course, should never happen but often do anyway.
First the sound. I still don't know why but often when rebooting with
a different kernel (I do it often) the sound mixer will wind up with
certain channels either muted or turned down all the way. Because these
channels are not visible on my gnome volume control I have to use the
alsamixer to find the problem and restore the proper settings until
the next reboot. Dumb, but that's the way it is.
You should definitely *not* unload your kernel sound modules when shutting
down -- it's silly and causes problems. Turn this 'feature' off in your
/etc/conf.d/alsasound by setting UNLOAD_ON_STOP="no" and KILLPROC_ON_STOP=
"no".
Printing. Usually my printing problems come from having the wrong printing
"device" set in the cups Modify Printer section (localhost:631 as you said).
Usually the problem is that I didn't have the printer connected and turned
on when setting the 'printer device' and therefore the proper choice didn't
appear in the menu. Really dumb.
Anyway, start by going back through that printer setup menu system and try
every choice until you find one that works -- and make sure the printer is
turned on :o)
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new system, printing suddenly fails for all printers
2009-07-03 14:02 ` [gentoo-user] " walt
@ 2009-07-03 15:48 ` Alan E. Davis
2009-07-03 16:03 ` Alan E. Davis
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From: Alan E. Davis @ 2009-07-03 15:48 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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Thank you Walt:
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:02 AM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've had both problems several times in the past, always caused by dumb
> things that, of course, should never happen but often do anyway.
>
Me too. Maybe so this time as well, at least I hope so.
>
> First the sound. I still don't know why but often when rebooting with
> a different kernel (I do it often) the sound mixer will wind up with
> certain channels either muted or turned down all the way. Because these
> channels are not visible on my gnome volume control I have to use the
> alsamixer to find the problem and restore the proper settings until
> the next reboot. Dumb, but that's the way it is.
There is no PCM channel in alsamixer! Maybe I will try alsamixergui, where
I saw switches once.
>
>
> You should definitely *not* unload your kernel sound modules when shutting
> down -- it's silly and causes problems. Turn this 'feature' off in your
> /etc/conf.d/alsasound by setting UNLOAD_ON_STOP="no" and KILLPROC_ON_STOP=
> "no".
Duly noted and exorcized.
>
>
> Printing. Usually my printing problems come from having the wrong printing
> "device" set in the cups Modify Printer section (localhost:631 as you
> said).
>
> Usually the problem is that I didn't have the printer connected and turned
> on when setting the 'printer device' and therefore the proper choice didn't
> appear in the menu. Really dumb.
>
Two printers are connected, and turned on. One printer, the deskjet,
started one job, a testpage, got to 17% and stayed there a good long while.
>
> Anyway, start by going back through that printer setup menu system and try
> every choice until you find one that works -- and make sure the printer is
> turned on :o)
>
Thank you again. I earnestly hope they both iron out quickly. I'm starting
to grow fond of this install.
Alan Davis
"...can the human soul be glimpsed through a microscope? Maybe, but you'd
definitely need one of those very good ones with two eyepieces."
-- Woody Allen, quoted by B. A. Palevitz
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new system, printing suddenly fails for all printers
2009-07-03 15:48 ` Alan E. Davis
@ 2009-07-03 16:03 ` Alan E. Davis
2009-07-03 16:47 ` walt
2009-07-03 20:20 ` eamjr56
2 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Alan E. Davis @ 2009-07-03 16:03 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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Well, like Walt said, printing configuration has often been a problem. When
I checked, after rebooting after an upgrade to ~amd64, the printers were
both setup as network printers. They are not. As soon as I changed the
widget to indicate the printer was local, it started priinting! Dumb things
indeed...
Sound is a more arcane area, not there yet.
>
>
>
>
> Alan Davis
>
> "...can the human soul be glimpsed through a microscope? Maybe, but you'd
> definitely need one of those very good ones with two eyepieces."
>
> -- Woody Allen, quoted by B. A. Palevitz
>
>
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* [gentoo-user] Re: new system, printing suddenly fails for all printers
2009-07-03 15:48 ` Alan E. Davis
2009-07-03 16:03 ` Alan E. Davis
@ 2009-07-03 16:47 ` walt
2009-07-03 20:20 ` eamjr56
2 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: walt @ 2009-07-03 16:47 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 07/03/2009 08:48 AM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> There is no PCM channel in alsamixer! Maybe I will try alsamixergui,
> where I saw switches once.
Do you have something like this in /dev/snd?:
$ls -l /dev/snd
total 0
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 0 2009-07-03 04:42 controlC0
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 24 2009-07-03 04:42 pcmC0D0c
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 16 2009-07-03 04:42 pcmC0D0p
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 25 2009-07-03 04:42 pcmC0D1c
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 17 2009-07-03 04:42 pcmC0D1p
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 1 2009-07-03 04:42 seq
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 33 2009-07-03 04:42 timer
If not, maybe some kernel modules are not loaded or installed?
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new system, printing suddenly fails for all printers
2009-07-03 15:48 ` Alan E. Davis
2009-07-03 16:03 ` Alan E. Davis
2009-07-03 16:47 ` walt
@ 2009-07-03 20:20 ` eamjr56
2009-07-04 0:36 ` Alan E. Davis
2 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: eamjr56 @ 2009-07-03 20:20 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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Why all the handwringing? Just use hplip when using a HP printer and all the hair-pulling will disappear in seconds.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 01:48:57
To: <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new system, printing suddenly fails for all
printers
Thank you Walt:
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:02 AM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've had both problems several times in the past, always caused by dumb
> things that, of course, should never happen but often do anyway.
>
Me too. Maybe so this time as well, at least I hope so.
>
> First the sound. I still don't know why but often when rebooting with
> a different kernel (I do it often) the sound mixer will wind up with
> certain channels either muted or turned down all the way. Because these
> channels are not visible on my gnome volume control I have to use the
> alsamixer to find the problem and restore the proper settings until
> the next reboot. Dumb, but that's the way it is.
There is no PCM channel in alsamixer! Maybe I will try alsamixergui, where
I saw switches once.
>
>
> You should definitely *not* unload your kernel sound modules when shutting
> down -- it's silly and causes problems. Turn this 'feature' off in your
> /etc/conf.d/alsasound by setting UNLOAD_ON_STOP="no" and KILLPROC_ON_STOP=
> "no".
Duly noted and exorcized.
>
>
> Printing. Usually my printing problems come from having the wrong printing
> "device" set in the cups Modify Printer section (localhost:631 as you
> said).
>
> Usually the problem is that I didn't have the printer connected and turned
> on when setting the 'printer device' and therefore the proper choice didn't
> appear in the menu. Really dumb.
>
Two printers are connected, and turned on. One printer, the deskjet,
started one job, a testpage, got to 17% and stayed there a good long while.
>
> Anyway, start by going back through that printer setup menu system and try
> every choice until you find one that works -- and make sure the printer is
> turned on :o)
>
Thank you again. I earnestly hope they both iron out quickly. I'm starting
to grow fond of this install.
Alan Davis
"...can the human soul be glimpsed through a microscope? Maybe, but you'd
definitely need one of those very good ones with two eyepieces."
-- Woody Allen, quoted by B. A. Palevitz
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new system, printing suddenly fails for all printers
2009-07-03 20:20 ` eamjr56
@ 2009-07-04 0:36 ` Alan E. Davis
0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Alan E. Davis @ 2009-07-04 0:36 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 6:20 AM, <eamjr56@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why all the handwringing? Just use hplip when using a HP printer and all
> the hair-pulling will disappear in seconds.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
eamjr56:
I also am amazed at the support from HP. Recalling the days some 12 years
ago, and so many hoops to jump through and then only to get an HP printer to
work partially.
What was curious about this, I had used HPLIP. Somehow, all of a sudden,
all printers were seen as network printers. Either I did a dumb thing of
collossal proportions, or some update wrote over the top of my config
files. What I now suspect is that I had consented to let dispatch-conf
replace my original config file, not understanding the consequences.
Live and learn,
Alan
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