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<br />mad.scientist.at.large (a good madscientist)<br />
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<br /><br /><br />11. Dec 2017 05:39 by <a href="mailto:michaelkintzios@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">michaelkintzios@gmail.com</a>:<br /><br /><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;">On Monday, 11 December 2017 11:59:03 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote:<blockquote>On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Canek Pel&aacute;ez Vald&eacute;s &lt;<a href="mailto:caneko@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">caneko@gmail.com</a>&gt; </blockquote>wrote:<br /><blockquote>&gt; Just my two cents. I will not answer any reply to my little contribution<br />&gt; to<br />&gt; this thread;<br /><br />Good. I can't remember any intervention from you that I would miss. Of<br />course, I wouldn't dream of telling people how they should think, nor<br />would I deny anyone the right to be an activist.<br /><br />&gt; Enjoy your echo chamber.<br /><br />Thank you for your contribution, Dr. Yes, we know you're a Dr. We know<br />it because:</blockquote><br />Crikey!  I didn't expect my question to trigger yet another thread of 'systemd <br />Vs freedom of choice (non-systemd)' arguments.  Dr. Canek has been an advocate <br />of systemd for years now and has posted his views on this topic more than <br />once.  He has tried hard to make gentoo users see the light in the superiority <br />of systemd and put his arguments across.  He has also done a lot of <br />development work to establish systemd in Gentoo.  His views are somewhat <br />parochial - only those who (can) code have an influence if not a right to <br />determine the direction of travel - I paraphrase of course.  There is truth in <br />this and anyone can recognise that money can buy developer hours and direct <br />their development effort.<br /><br />The facts remain that RHL and their employees have shaped the Linux eco-system <br />to suit their business interests;  spinning predictably and reliably thousands <br />of identical VMs in data centres.  The MSWindows monolithic stack architecture <br />is something they wanted/needed and this is what they developed.<br /><br />&lt;snip&gt;<br />Just my 2c's.<br />-- <br />Regards,<br />Mick</blockquote><p><br /></p><p>interestingly, RH (and Centos) have both dumped systemd and gone to another system (I don't remember which one).&nbsp; In fact they've done so retroactively on earlier versions.&nbsp; Of course the continuing take over of linux by commercial interest is distorting development goals (time spent trying to destandardize/create new standards, make it harder to install and maintain, and new tools they don't have to give away).&nbsp; <br /></p><p><br /></p><p>It's really sad that people accepted an open source license and built a business for decades, and now &nbsp; are now doing their best to keep free users out, way out of the loop (to the extent they can without technically violated the license).&nbsp; It's really sad because these companies are all making good money (which is fine) but like many of the rich (not all) they want more $$ and are willing to be rather dishonorable about it.&nbsp; It's a bad time for linux in many ways.&nbsp; Personally, like Linus himself, I'm looking for the next free os.&nbsp; <br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Do to it's long history and many, many donated hours,&nbsp; design by&nbsp; groups, and resulting complexity it's very hard to fix some of the incorrect/suboptimal decisions that are deep down, and most developers want to work on something new (not old and complicated like securing X).&nbsp; Don't get me wrong, I love linux, but I'll also be learning bsd and looking for such a project.&nbsp; Operating systems are big clumsy beast that require an incredible amount of work to realize and then maintain, but some are still willing to do such work for free/fun (I hope to know enough to help in a couple of years, I'm good at programing but i'll need to do better/more correct work consistent with good style and design and learn a lot about real/ideal operating systems and the inevitable trade offs).</p><p><br /></p><p>Then there are the promoters of questionable tech/implementations, many as dishonest and childish as some of our politicians, and like many politicians it's become more of a sales game, with people making up data, lying, and generally disrespecting their' users.&nbsp; A strategy that can work for awhile, until they've converted their' good reputation into a fast buck (most of the big companies are doing it, triplite for example, once commercial grade and well respected, but now sellers of sub-consumer grade gear).&nbsp; <br /></p><p><br /></p><p>And for embeded applications systemd is nothing but a liability, forcing dev tools and a server onto a router etc. just opens up new vulnerabilities for basicly nothing (other than a graphical interface server that very limited).&nbsp;&nbsp; The main thing i love about linux is choice, you can use the cool edgy stuff that's still buggy or the more stable or both depending on your' mood and goal.&nbsp; Your mileage will vary.</p>  </body>
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