From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 236EF138350 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:08:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 60EEFE0EBC; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-40130.protonmail.ch (mail-40130.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E25E9E0EAC for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:07:52 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail; t=1587571678; bh=PDIynswajm0t91+9yd94O+hDrac2TSCkI9pRHutnQ0E=; h=Date:To:From:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=P/d8Pj/jWbbFeAgj36x4F+Oz72Gd6YbTTB94OkWN12FqgXS7sXLFiJ5ELyRJlKU0/ bK+MehgT9Ahmo1dp6q62AhPP8g3WZXpXBGNzu/qGNDq8IYTWuQfX3BFGLxrnysHxxy qYnyoO2Bo8YiylG7LjodUYrFcdUUT1x4eNMnqY/A= To: "gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org" From: Caveman Al Toraboran Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <20200421165803.GB187193@redacted> <11506562.O9o76ZdvQC@peak> <20200421190145.GF187193@redacted> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mail.protonmail.ch X-Archives-Salt: 5c4c67f4-a575-4ecb-96c3-dc606088d04a X-Archives-Hash: e9dd461fb632ac307d6a9ea9581c3915 On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 7:35 PM, Michael Orlitzky wro= te: > On 4/22/20 11:22 AM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: > > > On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 11:01 PM, Consus consus@ftml.net wrote: > > > > > Yeah, mgorny likes to do some provocative stuff like forking Portage. > > > > patching P*****E is heretic, and forking it is > > outright blasphemous. > > For everyone complaining about how long emerge @world takes, and about > the incomprehensible error messages -- this fork was a step towards > fixing that. Portage does some slow, unpredictable, undocumented magic > when resolving dependencies that it never should have done in the first > place. Developers using portage then make commits that appear to work > with portage, but won't work in any other PMS-compliant package manager, > and often don't work in portage itself when given slightly different > command-line options. > > Portage was forked because the current maintainers insist on leaving it > broken to "avoid the phone calls." There are still problems, but this > way people don't realize they're portage's fault. i was joking. i agree with you + mgorny. in fact, i think portage sucks so much it must be rewritten from scratch, in such a way that it has least run-time dependencies, so we stop worrying about upgrading other packages, such as python. e.g. perhaps gne (gne is not emerge) should better be statically linked (no stupid python run-time that freaks us every time we upgrade python). just my thought. but mgorny knows much better than me most likely. i like his work. and i hope politics around emerge/portage gets dropped.