[gentoo-user] Hardware issues, probably overheating, help?

[gentoo-user] Hardware issues, probably overheating, help?

[Mrugesh Karnik]

Hi,

I've been having issues with the computer shutting down automatically. Makes 
me wonder if it's an over heating problem. The system (AMD Sempron 2500+, MSI 
K8M800 mobo, two Seagate HDDs, an LG DVD Burner and a GB of RAM) has 
developed a habit of shutting down or restarting randomly, no matter what OS 
I'm using.

A few days ago, the system shut itself down. I pressed the start switch but it 
would not respond, instead the power LED just kept blinking. I thought it to 
be an overheating issue and let it cool off for a bit. It worked fine for a 
few days and then this phenomenon just kept repeating itself and the 
frequency increased. There were a few lockups in between too. This would 
happen when running and update world while running Azureus in KDE or even 
when I was doing something as trivial as just chatting.

One day, the system refused to start. I pressed the start switch after a few 
minutes of such a shutdown and all that happened was I could see the power, 
HDD LEDs and the DVD burner's LED all glowing, but the monitor wouldn't 
start. The CPU fan would be working. I let the thing sleep for a few hours.

Later, I though I'd just run memtest to check if the RAM modules aren't 
causing any trouble. The pc actually started this time, but as soon as the 
memtest86+ screen came up, the thing shut itself down once again.

Next day, I had the system lock up twice while editing the BIOS settings. This 
time I decided to dig out the processor and take the board and the processor 
to the dealer for checkup. Turns out that the processor had got stuck to the 
heat sink. After separating and reinstalling the two, the system worked fine 
for a few days.

Now, again, a couple of days ago, I had the shut down. This time I decided to 
keep the room as cool as possible and have been running the computer with the 
lid open. But then again, just a few minutes ago, I had the shutdown while 
compiling K3B while running KDE and Azureus. Since then I've put up ksensors 
to check the temperature constantly. It's showing a pretty neat 35C right 
now, running Azureus, Kmail and Kopete.

Anyway, the point of this loooooooooooong emails is that I haven't exactly pin 
pointed the problem. If anyone thinks this is something other than over 
heating, please reply.

Thank you,
Mrugesh
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Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware issues, probably overheating, help?

[michael]

A long shot, but I had this happen once due to bad power supply.

Is there a chance the power supply is failing? If you have an alternate
supply, you may want to swap it out. Are you pushing it near its limits,
perhaps with many disk drives? Can you remove some drives as a test?


On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Mrugesh Karnik wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've been having issues with the computer shutting down automatically. Makes
> me wonder if it's an over heating problem. The system (AMD Sempron 2500+, MSI
> K8M800 mobo, two Seagate HDDs, an LG DVD Burner and a GB of RAM) has
> developed a habit of shutting down or restarting randomly, no matter what OS
> I'm using.
>
> A few days ago, the system shut itself down. I pressed the start switch but it
> would not respond, instead the power LED just kept blinking. I thought it to
> be an overheating issue and let it cool off for a bit. It worked fine for a
> few days and then this phenomenon just kept repeating itself and the
> frequency increased. There were a few lockups in between too. This would
> happen when running and update world while running Azureus in KDE or even
> when I was doing something as trivial as just chatting.
>
> One day, the system refused to start. I pressed the start switch after a few
> minutes of such a shutdown and all that happened was I could see the power,
> HDD LEDs and the DVD burner's LED all glowing, but the monitor wouldn't
> start. The CPU fan would be working. I let the thing sleep for a few hours.
>
> Later, I though I'd just run memtest to check if the RAM modules aren't
> causing any trouble. The pc actually started this time, but as soon as the
> memtest86+ screen came up, the thing shut itself down once again.
>
> Next day, I had the system lock up twice while editing the BIOS settings. This
> time I decided to dig out the processor and take the board and the processor
> to the dealer for checkup. Turns out that the processor had got stuck to the
> heat sink. After separating and reinstalling the two, the system worked fine
> for a few days.
>
> Now, again, a couple of days ago, I had the shut down. This time I decided to
> keep the room as cool as possible and have been running the computer with the
> lid open. But then again, just a few minutes ago, I had the shutdown while
> compiling K3B while running KDE and Azureus. Since then I've put up ksensors
> to check the temperature constantly. It's showing a pretty neat 35C right
> now, running Azureus, Kmail and Kopete.
>
> Anyway, the point of this loooooooooooong emails is that I haven't exactly pin
> pointed the problem. If anyone thinks this is something other than over
> heating, please reply.
>
> Thank you,
> Mrugesh
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Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware issues, probably overheating, help?

[Mrugesh Karnik]

On Friday 17 February 2006 04:32, michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote:
> A long shot, but I had this happen once due to bad power supply.
>
> Is there a chance the power supply is failing? If you have an alternate
> supply, you may want to swap it out. Are you pushing it near its limits,
> perhaps with many disk drives? Can you remove some drives as a test?

I thought this to be a possibility to start with... I have been wondering 
about buying a 400W supply. Hmm, this'll need some testing.

Thanks,
Mrugesh
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Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware issues, probably overheating, help?

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Friday 17 February 2006 12:03, Mrugesh Karnik wrote:
> On Friday 17 February 2006 04:32, michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote:
> > A long shot, but I had this happen once due to bad power supply.
> >
> > Is there a chance the power supply is failing? If you have an alternate
> > supply, you may want to swap it out. Are you pushing it near its limits,
> > perhaps with many disk drives? Can you remove some drives as a test?
>
> I thought this to be a possibility to start with... I have been wondering
> about buying a 400W supply. Hmm, this'll need some testing.

the watt printed on the case is not everything!
It is some phantasy number, created by marketing.
Look for 'combined power' (which will be much lower), and don't buy a cheap 
one.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware issues, probably overheating, help?

[Emanuele Morozzi]

Mrugesh Karnik wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've been having issues with the computer shutting down automatically. Makes 
> me wonder if it's an over heating problem. The system (AMD Sempron 2500+, MSI 
> K8M800 mobo, two Seagate HDDs, an LG DVD Burner and a GB of RAM) has 
> developed a habit of shutting down or restarting randomly, no matter what OS 
> I'm using.
> 
> A few days ago, the system shut itself down. I pressed the start switch but it 
> would not respond, instead the power LED just kept blinking. I thought it to 
> be an overheating issue and let it cool off for a bit. It worked fine for a 
> few days and then this phenomenon just kept repeating itself and the 
> frequency increased. There were a few lockups in between too. This would 
> happen when running and update world while running Azureus in KDE or even 
> when I was doing something as trivial as just chatting.
> 
> One day, the system refused to start. I pressed the start switch after a few 
> minutes of such a shutdown and all that happened was I could see the power, 
> HDD LEDs and the DVD burner's LED all glowing, but the monitor wouldn't 
> start. The CPU fan would be working. I let the thing sleep for a few hours.
> 
> Later, I though I'd just run memtest to check if the RAM modules aren't 
> causing any trouble. The pc actually started this time, but as soon as the 
> memtest86+ screen came up, the thing shut itself down once again.
> 
> Next day, I had the system lock up twice while editing the BIOS settings. This 
> time I decided to dig out the processor and take the board and the processor 
> to the dealer for checkup. Turns out that the processor had got stuck to the 
> heat sink. After separating and reinstalling the two, the system worked fine 
> for a few days.
> 
> Now, again, a couple of days ago, I had the shut down. This time I decided to 
> keep the room as cool as possible and have been running the computer with the 
> lid open. But then again, just a few minutes ago, I had the shutdown while 
> compiling K3B while running KDE and Azureus. Since then I've put up ksensors 
> to check the temperature constantly. It's showing a pretty neat 35C right 
> now, running Azureus, Kmail and Kopete.
> 
> Anyway, the point of this loooooooooooong emails is that I haven't exactly pin 
> pointed the problem. If anyone thinks this is something other than over 
> heating, please reply.
> 
> Thank you,
> Mrugesh


1. Tell us the Watts of the power supply (perhaps you'll have to change it)
2. Take the PC powered off and try extracting the video card and
replugging it.
3. Try to change the plug you use to give power to the PC.
4. Try to discharge the bios and reconfigure it.


	

	
		
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Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware issues, probably overheating, help?

[michael]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Emanuele Morozzi wrote:

> Mrugesh Karnik wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've been having issues with the computer shutting down automatically. Makes
>> me wonder if it's an over heating problem. The system (AMD Sempron 2500+, MSI
>> K8M800 mobo, two Seagate HDDs, an LG DVD Burner and a GB of RAM) has
>> developed a habit of shutting down or restarting randomly, no matter what OS
>> I'm using.
>>
>> A few days ago, the system shut itself down. I pressed the start switch but it
>> would not respond, instead the power LED just kept blinking. I thought it to
>> be an overheating issue and let it cool off for a bit. It worked fine for a
>> few days and then this phenomenon just kept repeating itself and the
>> frequency increased. There were a few lockups in between too. This would
>> happen when running and update world while running Azureus in KDE or even
>> when I was doing something as trivial as just chatting.
>>
>> One day, the system refused to start. I pressed the start switch after a few
>> minutes of such a shutdown and all that happened was I could see the power,
>> HDD LEDs and the DVD burner's LED all glowing, but the monitor wouldn't
>> start. The CPU fan would be working. I let the thing sleep for a few hours.
>>
>> Later, I though I'd just run memtest to check if the RAM modules aren't
>> causing any trouble. The pc actually started this time, but as soon as the
>> memtest86+ screen came up, the thing shut itself down once again.
>>
>> Next day, I had the system lock up twice while editing the BIOS settings. This
>> time I decided to dig out the processor and take the board and the processor
>> to the dealer for checkup. Turns out that the processor had got stuck to the
>> heat sink. After separating and reinstalling the two, the system worked fine
>> for a few days.
>>
>> Now, again, a couple of days ago, I had the shut down. This time I decided to
>> keep the room as cool as possible and have been running the computer with the
>> lid open. But then again, just a few minutes ago, I had the shutdown while
>> compiling K3B while running KDE and Azureus. Since then I've put up ksensors
>> to check the temperature constantly. It's showing a pretty neat 35C right
>> now, running Azureus, Kmail and Kopete.
>>
>> Anyway, the point of this loooooooooooong emails is that I haven't exactly pin
>> pointed the problem. If anyone thinks this is something other than over
>> heating, please reply.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Mrugesh
>
>
> 1. Tell us the Watts of the power supply (perhaps you'll have to change it)
> 2. Take the PC powered off and try extracting the video card and
> replugging it.
> 3. Try to change the plug you use to give power to the PC.
> 4. Try to discharge the bios and reconfigure it.

Add to this to make sure the line cord is plugged in well, both at the
wall and at the computer. I once replaced a power supply only to find
that the line cord wasn't plugged in all the way.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware issues, probably overheating, help?

[Mrugesh Karnik]

On Friday 17 February 2006 05:34, michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Emanuele Morozzi wrote:
> > 1. Tell us the Watts of the power supply (perhaps you'll have to change
> > it) 2. Take the PC powered off and try extracting the video card and
> > replugging it.
> > 3. Try to change the plug you use to give power to the PC.
> > 4. Try to discharge the bios and reconfigure it.
>
> Add to this to make sure the line cord is plugged in well, both at the
> wall and at the computer. I once replaced a power supply only to find
> that the line cord wasn't plugged in all the way.

It says 400W on the power supply, but at the price I've bought the case, I'm 
sure its only about 350W.

The second and third I've tried. Fourth... Hmm, I'll try to do that.

And yeah, the power cord is plugged in perfectly, I just checked.

Thanks again,
Mrugesh
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RE: [gentoo-user] Hardware issues, probably overheating, help?

[Michael Kintzios]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mrugesh Karnik [mailto:mrugeshkarnik@gmail.com] 
> Sent: 17 February 2006 11:13
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware issues, probably 
> overheating, help?
> 
> 
> It says 400W on the power supply, but at the price I've 
> bought the case, I'm 
> sure its only about 350W.
> 
> The second and third I've tried. Fourth... Hmm, I'll try to do that.
> 
> And yeah, the power cord is plugged in perfectly, I just checked.

As already suggested the possibility of overheating can be ruled out if
you use a domestic comfort cooling fan and with the case open you
position it to blow across the MOBO and towards the back of the case.  A
low/medium setting from some distance is best as you want it to fan out
enough to cover MOBO, drives, etc and not race the fans in the case to
their maximum.  I you still get shutdowns then look again at the power
supply.  I would heed advice already given - you get what you pay - so
go for a good quality PSU with adequate rating for your system's needs.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware issues, probably overheating, help?

[Brett I. Holcomb]

And he may have a good quality one but it's dying.  I had to replace a PC 
Power and Cooling recently.  After 5 years one of the voltages was dropping 
low.  I finally caught it because on an alert by the motherboard monitor 
which gave me an alarm.  That system was doing the same - lock up or quit for 
unexplained reasons.



On Friday February 17 2006 10:43, Michael Kintzios wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mrugesh Karnik [mailto:mrugeshkarnik@gmail.com]
> > Sent: 17 February 2006 11:13
> > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware issues, probably
Snip
> > The second and third I've tried. Fourth... Hmm, I'll try to do that.
> >
> > And yeah, the power cord is plugged in perfectly, I just checked.
>
> As already suggested the possibility of overheating can be ruled out if
> you use a domestic comfort cooling fan and with the case open you
> position it to blow across the MOBO and towards the back of the case.  A
> low/medium setting from some distance is best as you want it to fan out
> enough to cover MOBO, drives, etc and not race the fans in the case to
> their maximum.  I you still get shutdowns then look again at the power
> supply.  I would heed advice already given - you get what you pay - so
> go for a good quality PSU with adequate rating for your system's needs.
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[gentoo-user] Re: Hardware issues, probably overheating, help?

[Mick]

Brett I. Holcomb wrote:

> And he may have a good quality one but it's dying.  I had to replace a PC
> Power and Cooling recently.  After 5 years one of the voltages was
> dropping
> low.  I finally caught it because on an alert by the motherboard monitor
> which gave me an alarm.  That system was doing the same - lock up or quit
> for unexplained reasons.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Hardware issues, probably overheating, help?

[Brett I. Holcomb]

It is a program provided by the motherboard manufacturer that monitors the 
status of the board.  In this case it was an ASUS board on a windows system  
and their program is asusprobe.  Linux uses lm-sensors if I remember 
correctly.

On Sunday February 19 2006 14:54, Mick wrote:
> Brett I. Holcomb wrote:
> > And he may have a good quality one but it's dying.  I had to replace a PC
> > Power and Cooling recently.  After 5 years one of the voltages was
> > dropping
> > low.  I finally caught it because on an alert by the motherboard monitor
> > which gave me an alarm.  That system was doing the same - lock up or quit
> > for unexplained reasons.
>
> "motherboard monitor"?  Is that an application?
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[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Hardware issues, probably overheating, help?

[Mick]

Brett I. Holcomb wrote:

> It is a program provided by the motherboard manufacturer that monitors the
> status of the board.  In this case it was an ASUS board on a windows
> system
> and their program is asusprobe.  Linux uses lm-sensors if I remember
> correctly.

Thanks, I also did some googling and found references to it.  It is
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Hardware issues, probably overheating, help?

[Brett I. Holcomb]

That is indeed, unfortunate.  You could install Windows <GD&R>.

On Sunday February 19 2006 17:45, Mick wrote:
> Brett I. Holcomb wrote:
> > It is a program provided by the motherboard manufacturer that monitors
> > the status of the board.  In this case it was an ASUS board on a windows
> > system
> > and their program is asusprobe.  Linux uses lm-sensors if I remember
> > correctly.
>
> Thanks, I also did some googling and found references to it.  It is
> unfortunate that lm-sensors won't work with my mobos.  :-(
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Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware issues, probably power-related

[Benno Schulenberg]

Mrugesh Karnik wrote:
> It says 400W on the power supply, but at the price I've bought
> the case, I'm sure its only about 350W.

More than enough.  But maybe the mains is polluted (by electric 
motors or other high frequency stuff) or its tension has been 
lowered by some 10 or 20 volts?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware issues, probably power-related

[Mrugesh Karnik]

On Saturday 18 February 2006 00:04, Benno Schulenberg wrote:
> Mrugesh Karnik wrote:
> > It says 400W on the power supply, but at the price I've bought
> > the case, I'm sure its only about 350W.
>
> More than enough.  But maybe the mains is polluted (by electric
> motors or other high frequency stuff) or its tension has been
> lowered by some 10 or 20 volts?

Hmmm. I have a feeling that there's just too much electrical load in our 
home...

Mrugesh
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Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware issues, probably overheating, help?

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

sounds like weak/dying PSU.

Get a  new one. Enermax builds good ones.

Don't buy coba, fortron/sourge.
Be carefull with antec (have 12V problems).
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Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware issues, probably overheating, help?

[Daniel da Veiga]

I had the same issue, same MOBO and same system (almost the same,
instead of the sempron I had an athlon xp), the heatsink was working
fine, it kept locking for a while, then one day as you described it
refused to boot, as I forced it, it became unstable, finally not
booting anymore.

I took it to the guy I got it from and he said part of the bus for the
MOBO was fried, due to high temperatures, not in the processor, but at
the chipset, that caused the BIOS to failure, finally crushing the
entire system, reflashing BIOS did not solve it. Now I'm looking for a
new motherboard as I write this from my notebook. Check the whole sys
temperature.

I have been running into problems with this kind of MOBO and
processor, its the second fried mobo in 3 months, I changed the power
supply, changed memory, drives, everything. So, my advice, cool your
system...

Again, that's my own experience and I just write this because you
described exactly what happened to me last week.

On 2/16/06, Hemmann, Volker Armin <volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> wrote:
> sounds like weak/dying PSU.
>
> Get a  new one. Enermax builds good ones.
>
> Don't buy coba, fortron/sourge.
> Be carefull with antec (have 12V problems).
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Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware issues, probably overheating, help?

[Mrugesh Karnik]

On Friday 17 February 2006 08:37, Daniel da Veiga wrote:
> I had the same issue, same MOBO and same system (almost the same,
> instead of the sempron I had an athlon xp), the heatsink was working
> fine, it kept locking for a while, then one day as you described it
> refused to boot, as I forced it, it became unstable, finally not
> booting anymore.
>
> I took it to the guy I got it from and he said part of the bus for the
> MOBO was fried, due to high temperatures, not in the processor, but at
> the chipset, that caused the BIOS to failure, finally crushing the
> entire system, reflashing BIOS did not solve it. Now I'm looking for a
> new motherboard as I write this from my notebook. Check the whole sys
> temperature.
>
> I have been running into problems with this kind of MOBO and
> processor, its the second fried mobo in 3 months, I changed the power
> supply, changed memory, drives, everything. So, my advice, cool your
> system...
>
> Again, that's my own experience and I just write this because you
> described exactly what happened to me last week.

You scare me :P

I wondered about the BIOS being dead when the computer refused to start, but 
then after a few hours the computer did start, so I guess it wasn't a BIOS 
issue.

Thanks for your input.

Mrugesh
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Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware issues, probably overheating, help?

[brettholcomb]

It could be a power supply problem, too.  I seen it when one of the power rails gets flakey the computer will do funny things.  If you have another power supply connect it - you don't have to install it but just put it beside the box and then hook it up.  If it works you have found the problem.  

For overheating clean everything well - get rid of dust, etc. and then open the case and use an external fan to blow air in the case.

> 
> From: Mrugesh Karnik <mrugeshkarnik@gmail.com>
> Date: 2006/02/16 Thu PM 05:47:49 EST
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: [gentoo-user] Hardware issues, probably overheating, help?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've been having issues with the computer shutting down automatically. Makes 
> me wonder if it's an over heating problem. The system (AMD Sempron 2500+, MSI 
> K8M800 mobo, two Seagate HDDs, an LG DVD Burner and a GB of RAM) has 
> developed a habit of shutting down or restarting randomly, no matter what OS 
> I'm using.
> 
> A few days ago, the system shut itself down. I pressed the start switch but it 
> would not respond, instead the power LED just kept blinking. I thought it to 
> be an overheating issue and let it cool off for a bit. It worked fine for a 
> few days and then this phenomenon just kept repeating itself and the 
> frequency increased. There were a few lockups in between too. This would 
> happen when running and update world while running Azureus in KDE or even 
> when I was doing something as trivial as just chatting.
> 
> One day, the system refused to start. I pressed the start switch after a few 
> minutes of such a shutdown and all that happened was I could see the power, 
> HDD LEDs and the DVD burner's LED all glowing, but the monitor wouldn't 
> start. The CPU fan would be working. I let the thing sleep for a few hours.
> 
> Later, I though I'd just run memtest to check if the RAM modules aren't 
> causing any trouble. The pc actually started this time, but as soon as the 
> memtest86+ screen came up, the thing shut itself down once again.
> 
> Next day, I had the system lock up twice while editing the BIOS settings. This 
> time I decided to dig out the processor and take the board and the processor 
> to the dealer for checkup. Turns out that the processor had got stuck to the 
> heat sink. After separating and reinstalling the two, the system worked fine 
> for a few days.
> 
> Now, again, a couple of days ago, I had the shut down. This time I decided to 
> keep the room as cool as possible and have been running the computer with the 
> lid open. But then again, just a few minutes ago, I had the shutdown while 
> compiling K3B while running KDE and Azureus. Since then I've put up ksensors 
> to check the temperature constantly. It's showing a pretty neat 35C right 
> now, running Azureus, Kmail and Kopete.
> 
> Anyway, the point of this loooooooooooong emails is that I haven't exactly pin 
> pointed the problem. If anyone thinks this is something other than over 
> heating, please reply.
> 
> Thank you,
> Mrugesh
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> 

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