[gentoo-user] acrobat reader

[gentoo-user] acrobat reader

[thelma]

I have a pdf fillable form which I can only open in acrobat reader on Windows.

Which package do I use to read these form on Gentoo?

Re: [gentoo-user] acrobat reader

[Jack]

On 2021.09.22 15:06, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> I have a pdf fillable form which I can only open in acrobat reader on  
> Windows.
> 
> Which package do I use to read these form on Gentoo?
You should be able to read them with any PDF reader.  Not all readers  
will allow you to fill in the forms and save with the inserted data.  I  
use Okular for that, but the dependencies may be a lot if you don't  
already run KDE.  I wouldn't be surprised if the Gnome PDF reader  
(evince?) can also do it.

Jack

Re: [gentoo-user] acrobat reader

[Franz Trischberger]

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Jack: okular (and poppler apps in general) won't open some (all?) files
with filled in forms.
I had many such files in the past where I had to use acrobat...

Am Mi., 22. Sept. 2021 um 22:19 Uhr schrieb Jack <
ostroffjh@users.sourceforge.net>:

> On 2021.09.22 15:06, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> > I have a pdf fillable form which I can only open in acrobat reader on
> > Windows.
> >
> > Which package do I use to read these form on Gentoo?
> You should be able to read them with any PDF reader.  Not all readers
> will allow you to fill in the forms and save with the inserted data.  I
> use Okular for that, but the dependencies may be a lot if you don't
> already run KDE.  I wouldn't be surprised if the Gnome PDF reader
> (evince?) can also do it.
>
> Jack
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] acrobat reader

[thelma]

On 9/22/21 1:19 PM, Jack wrote:
> On 2021.09.22 15:06, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
>> I have a pdf fillable form which I can only open in acrobat reader on Windows.
>>
>> Which package do I use to read these form on Gentoo?
> You should be able to read them with any PDF reader.  Not all readers will allow you to fill in the forms and save with the inserted data.  I use Okular for that, but the dependencies may be a lot if you don't already run KDE.  I wouldn't be surprised if the Gnome PDF reader (evince?) can also do it.
> 
> Jack

I have evince, it will not open it.

This is the form I'm trying to open:

https://cfr.forms.gov.ab.ca/Form/AHC0102.pdf

Re: [gentoo-user] acrobat reader

[thelma]

On 9/22/21 1:29 PM, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> On 9/22/21 1:19 PM, Jack wrote:
>> On 2021.09.22 15:06, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
>>> I have a pdf fillable form which I can only open in acrobat reader on Windows.
>>>
>>> Which package do I use to read these form on Gentoo?
>> You should be able to read them with any PDF reader.  Not all readers will allow you to fill in the forms and save with the inserted data.  I use Okular for that, but the dependencies may be a lot if you don't already run KDE.  I wouldn't be surprised if the Gnome PDF reader (evince?) can also do it.
>>
>> Jack
> 
> I have evince, it will not open it.
> 
> This is the form I'm trying to open:
> 
> https://cfr.forms.gov.ab.ca/Form/AHC0102.pdf

I can open this file on Windows Acrobat Reader but when I try to save/print it as a PDF file via PDFcreator I'm getting some Ghoastscript error.
 

Re: [gentoo-user] acrobat reader

[tastytea]

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On 2021-09-22 13:29-0600 thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:

> On 9/22/21 1:19 PM, Jack wrote:
> > On 2021.09.22 15:06, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:  
> >> I have a pdf fillable form which I can only open in acrobat reader
> >> on Windows.
> >>
> >> Which package do I use to read these form on Gentoo?  
> > You should be able to read them with any PDF reader.  Not all
> > readers will allow you to fill in the forms and save with the
> > inserted data.  I use Okular for that, but the dependencies may be
> > a lot if you don't already run KDE.  I wouldn't be surprised if the
> > Gnome PDF reader (evince?) can also do it.
> > 
> > Jack  
> 
> I have evince, it will not open it.
> 
> This is the form I'm trying to open:
> 
> https://cfr.forms.gov.ab.ca/Form/AHC0102.pdf
> 

Okular 21.04.3 won't work either, I got a message box claiming I need
a newer version of Acrobat Reader and the content of the PDF is a
placeholder that reads “[…] your PDF viewer may not be able to display
this type of document […]”.

A warning above the document says that the document contains XFA forms
that are not supported.

Kind regards, tastytea

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Re: [gentoo-user] acrobat reader

[Charlotte Delenk]

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On 9/22/21 21:29, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> On 9/22/21 1:19 PM, Jack wrote:
>> On 2021.09.22 15:06, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
>>> I have a pdf fillable form which I can only open in acrobat reader on Windows.
>>>
>>> Which package do I use to read these form on Gentoo?
>> You should be able to read them with any PDF reader.  Not all readers will allow you to fill in the forms and save with the inserted data.  I use Okular for that, but the dependencies may be a lot if you don't already run KDE.  I wouldn't be surprised if the Gnome PDF reader (evince?) can also do it.
>>
>> Jack
> I have evince, it will not open it.
>
> This is the form I'm trying to open:
>
> https://cfr.forms.gov.ab.ca/Form/AHC0102.pdf
>
The javascript code embedded inside explicitely checks for acrobat 
reader version 9.0 or newer, as well as "XFA" (whatever that is) version 
2.0 or newer. Maybe try installing app-emulation/wine and then running 
acrobat reader using wine?

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Re: [gentoo-user] acrobat reader

[Jack]

On 2021.09.22 15:39, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> On 9/22/21 1:29 PM, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> > On 9/22/21 1:19 PM, Jack wrote:
> >> On 2021.09.22 15:06, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> >>> I have a pdf fillable form which I can only open in acrobat  
> reader on Windows.
> >>>
> >>> Which package do I use to read these form on Gentoo?
> >> You should be able to read them with any PDF reader.  Not all  
> readers will allow you to fill in the forms and save with the  
> inserted data.  I use Okular for that, but the dependencies may be a  
> lot if you don't already run KDE.  I wouldn't be surprised if the  
> Gnome PDF reader (evince?) can also do it.
> >>
> >> Jack
> >
> > I have evince, it will not open it.
> >
> > This is the form I'm trying to open:
> >
> > https://cfr.forms.gov.ab.ca/Form/AHC0102.pdf
> 
> I can open this file on Windows Acrobat Reader but when I try to  
> save/print it as a PDF file via PDFcreator I'm getting some  
> Ghoastscript error.
Yes, I see that okular (21.04.3) won't open it.  Actually, okular does  
say "This document has XFA forms, which are currently unsupported.   
It's also odd that the message which is displayed implies that Acrobat  
Reader is available for Linux, even though it's not available.

How is Ghostscript involved on Windows?

Is there any hope of complaining to the Alberta government that there  
is no access to the form without being forced to use proprietary  
software?  (Probably not, but it's a thought.)

Finally, if you search for "acrobat xfa forms linux" you will find some  
suggestions.

Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] acrobat reader

[thelma]

On 9/22/21 1:41 PM, Charlotte Delenk wrote:
> 
> On 9/22/21 21:29, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
>> On 9/22/21 1:19 PM, Jack wrote:
>>> On 2021.09.22 15:06, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
>>>> I have a pdf fillable form which I can only open in acrobat reader on Windows.
>>>>
>>>> Which package do I use to read these form on Gentoo?
>>> You should be able to read them with any PDF reader.  Not all readers will allow you to fill in the forms and save with the inserted data.  I use Okular for that, but the dependencies may be a lot if you don't already run KDE.  I wouldn't be surprised if the Gnome PDF reader (evince?) can also do it.
>>>
>>> Jack
>> I have evince, it will not open it.
>>
>> This is the form I'm trying to open:
>>
>> https://cfr.forms.gov.ab.ca/Form/AHC0102.pdf
>>
> The javascript code embedded inside explicitely checks for acrobat reader version 9.0 or newer, as well as "XFA" (whatever that is) version 2.0 or newer. Maybe try installing app-emulation/wine and then running acrobat reader using wine?

On gentoo "app-text/master-pdf-editor-5.7.90" WORKS 
I can read and edit that file.

[gentoo-user] Re: acrobat reader

[Grant Edwards]

On 2021-09-22, thelma@sys-concept.com <thelma@sys-concept.com> wrote:

> This is the form I'm trying to open:
>
> https://cfr.forms.gov.ab.ca/Form/AHC0102.pdf

That's an abomination that use Javascript and dynamic XFA content:

   https://kbpdfstudio.qoppa.com/livecycle-dynamic-xfa-forms/

Whoever designed something like that for use by the general public
needs to have thier career terminated before they cause any more
damage.

--
Grant

[gentoo-user] Re: acrobat reader

[Grant Edwards]

On 2021-09-22, Jack <ostroffjh@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> On 2021.09.22 15:06, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
>> I have a pdf fillable form which I can only open in acrobat reader on  
>> Windows.
>> 
>> Which package do I use to read these form on Gentoo?
>
> You should be able to read them with any PDF reader.

Nope. It uses Javascript and dynamic XFA content. None of the
third-party PDF readers support that.


> Not all readers  
> will allow you to fill in the forms and save with the inserted data.  I  
> use Okular for that, but the dependencies may be a lot if you don't  
> already run KDE.  I wouldn't be surprised if the Gnome PDF reader  
> (evince?) can also do it.

none of evince, atril or pdfstudio support dynamic XFA.

--
Grant

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: acrobat reader

[Laurence Perkins]

The fact that the form is completely unsupported on mobile coupled with the way many people are moving exclusively to tablet/phone platforms these days might be enough to convince them that it's time for an update if you sent them a message about it.  They generally like to preserve the illusion that they're competent.

The next version may or may not be worse than this one...

LMP

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Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: acrobat reader

On 2021-09-22, thelma@sys-concept.com <thelma@sys-concept.com> wrote:

> This is the form I'm trying to open:
>
> https://cfr.forms.gov.ab.ca/Form/AHC0102.pdf

That's an abomination that use Javascript and dynamic XFA content:

   https://kbpdfstudio.qoppa.com/livecycle-dynamic-xfa-forms/

Whoever designed something like that for use by the general public needs to have thier career terminated before they cause any more damage.

--
Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: acrobat reader

[Matt Connell (Gmail)]

On Wed, 2021-09-22 at 20:14 +0000, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2021-09-22, Jack <ostroffjh@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> > On 2021.09.22 15:06, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> > > I have a pdf fillable form which I can only open in acrobat reader on  
> > > Windows.
> > > 
> > > Which package do I use to read these form on Gentoo?
> > 
> > You should be able to read them with any PDF reader.
> 
> Nope. It uses Javascript and dynamic XFA content. None of the
> third-party PDF readers support that.
> 
> 
> > Not all readers  
> > will allow you to fill in the forms and save with the inserted data.  I  
> > use Okular for that, but the dependencies may be a lot if you don't  
> > already run KDE.  I wouldn't be surprised if the Gnome PDF reader  
> > (evince?) can also do it.
> 
> none of evince, atril or pdfstudio support dynamic XFA.
> 

Firefox 93 brags[1] of support for XFA PDFs... maybe this is a possible
solution?

1: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/93.0/releasenotes/

[gentoo-user] Re: acrobat reader

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 22/09/2021 22:29, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> I have evince, it will not open it.
> 
> This is the form I'm trying to open:
> 
> https://cfr.forms.gov.ab.ca/Form/AHC0102.pdf

I just opened this URL in firefox-bin-93.0, which claims support for 
"XFA-based forms", and indeed I can fill it out just fine.

So finally solved, I suppose?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: acrobat reader

[Matt Connell (Gmail)]

On Fri, 2021-10-08 at 12:28 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 22/09/2021 22:29, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> > I have evince, it will not open it.
> > 
> > This is the form I'm trying to open:
> > 
> > https://cfr.forms.gov.ab.ca/Form/AHC0102.pdf
> 
> I just opened this URL in firefox-bin-93.0, which claims support for 
> "XFA-based forms", and indeed I can fill it out just fine.

Good to know.  Credit is due to Mozilla for their work on pdf.js I
suppose.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: acrobat reader

[thelma]

On 10/8/21 3:28 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 22/09/2021 22:29, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
>> I have evince, it will not open it.
>>
>> This is the form I'm trying to open:
>>
>> https://cfr.forms.gov.ab.ca/Form/AHC0102.pdf
> 
> I just opened this URL in firefox-bin-93.0, which claims support for "XFA-based forms", and indeed I can fill it out just fine.
> 
> So finally solved, I suppose?

Thanks for pointing it out. So this is another solution; nice!