From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3368C138334 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:14:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 36859E0BC5; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gw2.antarean.org (gw2.antarean.org [141.105.125.208]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91AFBE0BB2 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:14:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw2.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3C612113F for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 16:14:17 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at antarean.org Received: from gw2.antarean.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gw2.antarean.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MWnuxVzBdBS9 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 16:14:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from mailstore1.antarean.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw2.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0A612104F for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 16:14:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (lan102.nl.antarean.org [10.20.13.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailstore1.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E4BAA25 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 16:14:08 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:14:07 +0000 In-Reply-To: <7b6ff331-6125-3aa9-005f-1d6a04310f4f@gmail.com> References: <492d8bf4-4b8d-f7f6-05d8-2473b6825fab@gmail.com> <6651f356-8831-1d49-6d1e-adbe9d337b74@charter.net> <234e7289-0372-64de-5a94-d1aa82c7d40b@charter.net> <288c83f0-70a5-98ec-b082-d575239f0c03@gmail.com> <0456c03c-8a4b-17b9-b062-e42580ed531f@gmail.com> <20181210221412.2097b809@digimed.co.uk> <0fe209dd-649f-c1fc-8c84-4f84aad7ed15@gmx.com> <20181211084925.3aff5175@digimed.co.uk> <7b6ff331-6125-3aa9-005f-1d6a04310f4f@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----70W7VHNXVBYKGB3CSA8UMYJJOLBM6D" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions. To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: "J. Roeleveld" Message-ID: X-Archives-Salt: 01584e56-a202-4528-9e5e-2e37c2bb94a1 X-Archives-Hash: 378dca95908e9e591fd0b962d9dc8578 ------70W7VHNXVBYKGB3CSA8UMYJJOLBM6D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On December 11, 2018 10:48:01 AM UTC, Dale wrote: >Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:00:45 -0500, Taiidan@gmx=2Ecom wrote: >> >>>> So that proves that US manufacturers are better at hiding their >back >>>>> doors? >>>>> >>>>> Or is it a numbers game, there are a hell of a lot more systems >made >>>>> in China, so the chances of a backdoor being discovered is higher=2E >>>>> >>>>> Either way, lack of evidence of insecurity is not proof of >security=2E >>>>> =20 >>> So tell us what is your perfect country for hardware manufacturing? >> There isn't one as you can never be sure=2E You are presenting hope, >and >> maybe likelihood, as certainty when this does not exist=2E >> >> > >I sent a reply off list to Taiiden=2E=C2=A0 Mine was longer but basically= , no >Govt can really be trusted and they have proved it=2E=C2=A0 If they can d= o >something and hide it, they will=2E=C2=A0 Snowden revealed some things bu= t I'm >sure there is a lot of stuff going on that the public knows nothing >about=2E=C2=A0 > >None of us should trust anything until it is well tested and done so >over time=2E=C2=A0 > >Dale > >:-)=C2=A0 :-)=C2=A0 Which was exactly my point=2E There is NO government that can be trusted to take their citizens interest= s before their own=2E It is inherent in the phrase "power corrupts", of whi= ch I am a firm believer as I have seen the corrupting effects power has on = people=2E The classical Communist idea (Note: Russia did NOT have true Communism as = the communist party effectively became a multi headed dictatorship) might b= e trustworthy, but then only if your fellow citizens can be trusted to work= towards bettering the entire community and not think of themselves first= =2E Humanity will need to grow up a lot more to reach a state where I would= trust my fellow humans enough=2E And please let this rest in this thread now=2E If anyone wants to continue= this discussion, lets open a seperate thread for it so people not interest= ed in this can easily filter it out=2E -- Joost --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------70W7VHNXVBYKGB3CSA8UMYJJOLBM6D Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On December 11, 2018 10= :48:01 AM UTC, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail=2Ecom> wrote:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:00:45 -0500, Taiidan@gmx=2Ecom=
 wrote:

So that proves that US manufacturers =
are better at hiding their back
 doors?

 Or is it a numbers game, there are a hell of a lo=
t more systems made
 in China, so the chances of a backdoor being discov=
ered is higher=2E

 Either way, lack of evidence of insecurity is not=
 proof of security=2E
  
So tell us what is=
 your perfect country for hardware manufacturing?
 There is=
n't one as you can never be sure=2E You are presenting hope, and
 maybe =
likelihood, as certainty when this does not exist=2E



I sent a reply off list to Taiiden=2E  Mine was longer but basic=
ally, no
Govt can really be trusted and they have proved it=2E  If =
they can do
something and hide it, they will=2E  Snowden revealed s=
ome things but I'm
sure there is a lot of stuff going on that the public=
 knows nothing about=2E 

None of us should trust anything until=
 it is well tested and done so
over time=2E 

Dale

:-)=
  :-) 


Which wa= s exactly my point=2E
There is NO government that can be trusted to take= their citizens interests before their own=2E It is inherent in the phrase = "power corrupts", of which I am a firm believer as I have seen the corrupti= ng effects power has on people=2E

The classical Communist idea (Note= : Russia did NOT have true Communism as the communist party effectively bec= ame a multi headed dictatorship) might be trustworthy, but then only if you= r fellow citizens can be trusted to work towards bettering the entire commu= nity and not think of themselves first=2E Humanity will need to grow up a l= ot more to reach a state where I would trust my fellow humans enough=2E
=
And please let this rest in this thread now=2E If anyone wants to conti= nue this discussion, lets open a seperate thread for it so people not inter= ested in this can easily filter it out=2E

--
Joost
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Sent= from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E= ------70W7VHNXVBYKGB3CSA8UMYJJOLBM6D--