From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-138534-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1SWbMD-0007c0-BC for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 21 May 2012 22:45:41 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 28050E0C94; Mon, 21 May 2012 22:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB52E0C28 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 21 May 2012 22:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbuo19 with SMTP id uo19so10656827obb.40 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 21 May 2012 15:44:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MclItlBHrfADKP8bKw1Ua4HyvVQf6Sh2W8H4yg+a/14=; b=d56H6ZxuOGgDRs6RaJKmBwFlMpexMgKTNM5YKEDylGjfp4HrG8r4zDQx2I3ZNeyoPb 8+8trhYpbmEeBtT54GLb0CfBlNk8WiE1a71H3vrth3H8BKKVtnvOIxGl8GkAO5K6JsOZ kuNaP5OcRZfpGAy7OoPYcNzZZPybv2SYKw/QyrJoUw7kb4U5k0f6okql03kz9UfpEvmH CI2pt2PJ+JILWecJDo5TX9EyFoF2B4MjxRu7sEfSHRZfY1Mp/Tfy1uRnre1/4XjzUpqV qkWN/VzI86vdcBX9DNpV2GHe47aDf7Jws2BV2CJMdLvsVY9zdlKUK6pCLQlH3ibmbkPO h/+g== Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.183.73 with SMTP id ek9mr20466412obc.15.1337640243482; Mon, 21 May 2012 15:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.171.169 with HTTP; Mon, 21 May 2012 15:44:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120521210534.GA4168@eisen.lan> References: <4FAA2F0D.8080900@gmail.com> <CAJoTvCvSXMc4jHAzbjbKJswx1+CTSY3szc0LntRE30Pabow7xQ@mail.gmail.com> <20120512185035.GA4716@eisen.fritz.box> <20120513093834.GB24679@grusum.endjinn.de> <20120521210534.GA4168@eisen.lan> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 16:44:03 -0600 Message-ID: <CAPBmLJaHyQO7Zy_VQF9R_uEGShmTepoag7fEcDb=oCB+WPyhHA@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Are those "green" drives any good? From: Andrew Hoffman <sixgod@gmail.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04478a318cd17004c093a370 X-Archives-Salt: 5be463d7-d2cf-4ac2-b0f0-7013fa18153a X-Archives-Hash: 7c3232888d1da6a013e67cb7bed5f7d5 --f46d04478a318cd17004c093a370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You guys might find this study from google interesting: http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/researc= h.google.com/en/us/archive/disk_failures.pdf On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Frank Steinmetzger <Warp_7@gmx.de> wrote: > On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:38:34AM +0200, David Haller wrote: > > > >I bought my current internal laptop disk for Christmas 2008. It's a > Samsung > > >HM500JI (with 500 GB). Early on I noticed that, according to smartctl= , > its > > >Load_Cycle_Count is increasing every 2 or 3 seconds. I even asked > Samsung > > >about this, but they either couldn't give any clue or didn't want to, > b/c the > > >Serial Number is from Turkey, so not from the European market. > > > > > >Anyhoo... I just checked the values: > >>[=85] > > >But the load cycle count is at almost 12.3 million(!). That just can'= t > be > > >right. I stopped believing that number a good while ago. > > > > As I said in another mail: laptop drives are built for frequent > > unloading. Your number does seem a bit high though, that's about 1000 > > load cycles per hour... > > My Pa bought the same HDD model for his laptop a few months back. Last > weekend > I visited him and loaded a diag tool on his Windows. It showed 20 or 30.0= 00 > cycle counts. So I guess my model just has a bad firmware or summit like > that. > Perhaps that's why it was so cheap back then (only ~62=80 for a 500 GB dr= ive > by > the end of 2008). > > Oh well, I'll just have to remember to do backups a bit more often. > -- > Gru=DF | Greetings | Qapla' > Please do not share anything from, with or about me with any Facebook > service. > > A boss is a human just like everyone else, he just doesn=92t know. > --f46d04478a318cd17004c093a370 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You guys might find this study from google interesting:=A0 <a href=3D"http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_d= lcp/research.google.com/en/us/archive/disk_failures.pdf">http://static.goog= leusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/research.google.com/en/us= /archive/disk_failures.pdf</a>=A0<br> <br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Frank Stein= metzger <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:Warp_7@gmx.de" target=3D"_b= lank">Warp_7@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo= te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"= > <div class=3D"im">On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:38:34AM +0200, David Haller wr= ote:<br> <br> > >I bought my current internal laptop disk for Christmas 2008. =A0It= 's a Samsung<br> > >HM500JI (with 500 GB). =A0Early on I noticed that, according to sm= artctl, its<br> > >Load_Cycle_Count is increasing every 2 or 3 seconds. =A0I even ask= ed Samsung<br> > >about this, but they either couldn't give any clue or didn'= ;t want to, b/c the<br> > >Serial Number is from Turkey, so not from the European market.<br> > ><br> > >Anyhoo... I just checked the values:<br> </div>>>[=85]<br> <div class=3D"im">> >But the load cycle count is at almost 12.3 milli= on(!). =A0That just can't be<br> > >right. =A0I stopped believing that number a good while ago.<br> ><br> > As I said in another mail: laptop drives are built for frequent<br> > unloading. Your number does seem a bit high though, that's about 1= 000<br> > load cycles per hour...<br> <br> </div>My Pa bought the same HDD model for his laptop a few months back. Las= t weekend<br> I visited him and loaded a diag tool on his Windows. It showed 20 or 30.000= <br> cycle counts. So I guess my model just has a bad firmware or summit like th= at.<br> Perhaps that's why it was so cheap back then (only ~62=80 for a 500 GB = drive by<br> the end of 2008).<br> <br> Oh well, I'll just have to remember to do backups a bit more often.<br> <div class=3D"im">--<br> Gru=DF | Greetings | Qapla'<br> Please do not share anything from, with or about me with any Facebook servi= ce.<br> <br> </div>A boss is a human just like everyone else, he just doesn=92t know.<br= > </blockquote></div><br> --f46d04478a318cd17004c093a370--