[gentoo-user] kde splash screen won't show up when loading kde

[gentoo-user] kde splash screen won't show up when loading kde

[Pau Peris]

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Hi,

i've just upgraded kde through a custom @set, the same i used over the last
years, but this time although kde-base/ksplash is installed kde splash
screen does not appear anymore while loading kde.

Do someone know which single package could i missed? Thx :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] kde splash screen won't show up when loading kde

[John Walters]

On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:58:42 +0100
Pau Peris <sibok1981@gmail.com> wrote:

> i've just upgraded kde through a custom @set, the same i used over
> the last years, but this time although kde-base/ksplash is installed
> kde splash screen does not appear anymore while loading kde.
> 
> Do someone know which single package could i missed? Thx :)

Can't really say without looking at your system, but you can try:

1) revdep-rebuild

If that doesn't find any problem, then:

2) emerge -e world

I know it will take a long while, but I have found it necessary to do
this on a regular basis, especially with upgraded packages.

JW

Re: [gentoo-user] kde splash screen won't show up when loading kde

[Dale]

John Walters wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:58:42 +0100
> Pau Peris <sibok1981@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> i've just upgraded kde through a custom @set, the same i used over
>> the last years, but this time although kde-base/ksplash is installed
>> kde splash screen does not appear anymore while loading kde.
>>
>> Do someone know which single package could i missed? Thx :)
> Can't really say without looking at your system, but you can try:
>
> 1) revdep-rebuild
>
> If that doesn't find any problem, then:
>
> 2) emerge -e world
>
> I know it will take a long while, but I have found it necessary to do
> this on a regular basis, especially with upgraded packages.
>
> JW
>
>


I have noticed that when I do a KDE upgrade and something acts a little
funny, a emerge -e world generally fixes it.  I do wish there was a way
to know what needed to be emerged again without doing everything. 

OP, you could try doing a emerge -e ksplash with the -t option and sort
of see what it depends on that way.  Then try to emerge those packages
first to see if it helps. 

For what it is worth, I did the upgrade and the only problem I ran into
was my saved session got messed up.  I had to set things up and save it
again, I haven't logged out and back in yet so I hope that fixes that
problem. 

Any Linux geeks know how to fix this sort of thing without a emerge -e
world? 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] kde splash screen won't show up when loading kde

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 17:29:11 -0600
Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> John Walters wrote:
> > On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:58:42 +0100
> > Pau Peris <sibok1981@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> i've just upgraded kde through a custom @set, the same i used over
> >> the last years, but this time although kde-base/ksplash is
> >> installed kde splash screen does not appear anymore while loading
> >> kde.
> >>
> >> Do someone know which single package could i missed? Thx :)
> > Can't really say without looking at your system, but you can try:
> >
> > 1) revdep-rebuild
> >
> > If that doesn't find any problem, then:
> >
> > 2) emerge -e world
> >
> > I know it will take a long while, but I have found it necessary to
> > do this on a regular basis, especially with upgraded packages.
> >
> > JW
> >
> >
> 
> 
> I have noticed that when I do a KDE upgrade and something acts a
> little funny, a emerge -e world generally fixes it.  I do wish there
> was a way to know what needed to be emerged again without doing
> everything. 
> 
> OP, you could try doing a emerge -e ksplash with the -t option and
> sort of see what it depends on that way.  Then try to emerge those
> packages first to see if it helps. 
> 
> For what it is worth, I did the upgrade and the only problem I ran
> into was my saved session got messed up.  I had to set things up and
> save it again, I haven't logged out and back in yet so I hope that
> fixes that problem. 
> 
> Any Linux geeks know how to fix this sort of thing without a emerge -e
> world? 

short answer: usually, you can't

longer answer: you can't, because software usually can't detect the
answer.

revdep-rebuild does a fine job of finding what it was designed to do -
reverse dependencies that are now broken.

So if app A uses lib B directly which uses lib C directly, and lib C
got updated, revdep-rebuild will discover if the new C is incompatible
with the current B. Re-emerge B and it usually just manages to do the
right thing.

Weird issues often crop up when you have plug-in modules that are
loaded dynamically at runtime. Revdep-rebuild can't find these as they
don't show up in ldd, the app itself figures out what modules it wants
to load then tries, so if something is broken there, well you find that
out when you run the app.

emerge -e world is the only way I know to to fix these things with any
certainty. Binary distro by the way usually don't have this problem
happen to them, because with those lib C doesn't suddenly get ripped
out underneath B and replaced ;-)



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alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] kde splash screen won't show up when loading kde

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 17:29:11 -0600
> Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have noticed that when I do a KDE upgrade and something acts a
>> little funny, a emerge -e world generally fixes it. I do wish there
>> was a way to know what needed to be emerged again without doing
>> everything. OP, you could try doing a emerge -e ksplash with the -t
>> option and sort of see what it depends on that way. Then try to
>> emerge those packages first to see if it helps. For what it is worth,
>> I did the upgrade and the only problem I ran into was my saved
>> session got messed up. I had to set things up and save it again, I
>> haven't logged out and back in yet so I hope that fixes that problem.
>> Any Linux geeks know how to fix this sort of thing without a emerge
>> -e world? 
> short answer: usually, you can't
>
> longer answer: you can't, because software usually can't detect the
> answer.
>
> revdep-rebuild does a fine job of finding what it was designed to do -
> reverse dependencies that are now broken.
>
> So if app A uses lib B directly which uses lib C directly, and lib C
> got updated, revdep-rebuild will discover if the new C is incompatible
> with the current B. Re-emerge B and it usually just manages to do the
> right thing.
>
> Weird issues often crop up when you have plug-in modules that are
> loaded dynamically at runtime. Revdep-rebuild can't find these as they
> don't show up in ldd, the app itself figures out what modules it wants
> to load then tries, so if something is broken there, well you find that
> out when you run the app.
>
> emerge -e world is the only way I know to to fix these things with any
> certainty. Binary distro by the way usually don't have this problem
> happen to them, because with those lib C doesn't suddenly get ripped
> out underneath B and replaced ;-)
>
>
>

That figures.  So, emerge -e world it is from time to time then. 

Binaries may not have this problem but they sure do have their share of
other problems. lol 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] kde splash screen won't show up when loading kde

[Chris Walters]

On 11/11/2012 07:31 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 17:29:11 -0600
> Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> John Walters wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:58:42 +0100
>>> Pau Peris <sibok1981@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> i've just upgraded kde through a custom @set, the same i used over
>>>> the last years, but this time although kde-base/ksplash is
>>>> installed kde splash screen does not appear anymore while loading
>>>> kde.
>>>>
>>>> Do someone know which single package could i missed? Thx :)
>>> Can't really say without looking at your system, but you can try:
> short answer: usually, you can't
> 
> longer answer: you can't, because software usually can't detect the
> answer.
> 
> revdep-rebuild does a fine job of finding what it was designed to do -
> reverse dependencies that are now broken.

Quite right.  revdep-rebuild has a singular purpose, and does that well enough,
but cannot solve all problems

'emerge -e world' will solve all the same problems that revdep-rebuild will,
and solve those that it can't.  I do it whenever I upgrade something, just to
make sure my system is up to date.

Chris


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Re: [gentoo-user] kde splash screen won't show up when loading kde

[Pau Peris]

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Hi,

thanks to all for your questions, this issue is also happening to me on a
fresh install so i'm pretty sure a package/lib is missing.

Hope someone can get out a clue. Thanks. :)


2012/11/11 Chris Walters <cjw2004d@comcast.net>

> On 11/11/2012 07:31 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 17:29:11 -0600
> > Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> John Walters wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:58:42 +0100
> >>> Pau Peris <sibok1981@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> i've just upgraded kde through a custom @set, the same i used over
> >>>> the last years, but this time although kde-base/ksplash is
> >>>> installed kde splash screen does not appear anymore while loading
> >>>> kde.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do someone know which single package could i missed? Thx :)
> >>> Can't really say without looking at your system, but you can try:
> > short answer: usually, you can't
> >
> > longer answer: you can't, because software usually can't detect the
> > answer.
> >
> > revdep-rebuild does a fine job of finding what it was designed to do -
> > reverse dependencies that are now broken.
>
> Quite right.  revdep-rebuild has a singular purpose, and does that well
> enough,
> but cannot solve all problems
>
> 'emerge -e world' will solve all the same problems that revdep-rebuild
> will,
> and solve those that it can't.  I do it whenever I upgrade something, just
> to
> make sure my system is up to date.
>
> Chris
>
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] kde splash screen won't show up when loading kde

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 09:48:16 -0600
Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 17:29:11 -0600
> > Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I have noticed that when I do a KDE upgrade and something acts a
> >> little funny, a emerge -e world generally fixes it. I do wish there
> >> was a way to know what needed to be emerged again without doing
> >> everything. OP, you could try doing a emerge -e ksplash with the -t
> >> option and sort of see what it depends on that way. Then try to
> >> emerge those packages first to see if it helps. For what it is
> >> worth, I did the upgrade and the only problem I ran into was my
> >> saved session got messed up. I had to set things up and save it
> >> again, I haven't logged out and back in yet so I hope that fixes
> >> that problem. Any Linux geeks know how to fix this sort of thing
> >> without a emerge -e world? 
> > short answer: usually, you can't
> >
> > longer answer: you can't, because software usually can't detect the
> > answer.
> >
> > revdep-rebuild does a fine job of finding what it was designed to
> > do - reverse dependencies that are now broken.
> >
> > So if app A uses lib B directly which uses lib C directly, and lib C
> > got updated, revdep-rebuild will discover if the new C is
> > incompatible with the current B. Re-emerge B and it usually just
> > manages to do the right thing.
> >
> > Weird issues often crop up when you have plug-in modules that are
> > loaded dynamically at runtime. Revdep-rebuild can't find these as
> > they don't show up in ldd, the app itself figures out what modules
> > it wants to load then tries, so if something is broken there, well
> > you find that out when you run the app.
> >
> > emerge -e world is the only way I know to to fix these things with
> > any certainty. Binary distro by the way usually don't have this
> > problem happen to them, because with those lib C doesn't suddenly
> > get ripped out underneath B and replaced ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> 
> That figures.  So, emerge -e world it is from time to time then. 
> 
> Binaries may not have this problem but they sure do have their share
> of other problems. lol 

haha, you mean like when you have lib v1 and you want to run an app
(from the distro repo!) and it requires lib v2?

We all know what that's like, and basically then you are SOL...

:-)


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Re: [gentoo-user] kde splash screen won't show up when loading kde

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 09:48:16 -0600
> Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That figures.  So, emerge -e world it is from time to time then. 
>
> Binaries may not have this problem but they sure do have their share
> of other problems. lol 
> haha, you mean like when you have lib v1 and you want to run an app
> (from the distro repo!) and it requires lib v2?
>
> We all know what that's like, and basically then you are SOL...
>
> :-)
>
>

Well, I usually don't get to the bottom of the breakage in a binary OS. 
I do like I did when Mandrake kept screwing with my head.  I install
Gentoo because: 

< gentoo rocks >
 -------------- 
        \   ^__^
         \  (oo)\_______
            (__)\       )\/\
                ||----w |
                ||     ||


That belongs to the guy with the Chinese characters in his name.  Sorry, I can't do Chinese.   I think it isn't half bad and it is quite true.  lol   May need some improvements but it's better than I could probably do.  o_O 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] kde splash screen won't show up when loading kde

[Yohan Pereira]

On Sunday 11 Nov 2012 21:39:50 Pau Peris wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> thanks to all for your questions, this issue is also happening to me on a
> fresh install so i'm pretty sure a package/lib is missing.
> 
> Hope someone can get out a clue. Thanks. :)

Maybe you can try installing kdebase-startkde or kde-base-meta and see what 
additional packages portage wants to install. The one you need is probably one 
of them. 

-- 

- Yohan Pereira

The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference
between a mermaid and a seal.
                -- Mark Twain

Re: [gentoo-user] kde splash screen won't show up when loading kde

[Pau Peris]

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Thanks a lot Yohan for giving a sensible answer. :D

If someone goe sinto the same issue note installing kde-base-artwork did
the trick.


2012/11/12 Yohan Pereira <yohan.pereira@gmail.com>

> On Sunday 11 Nov 2012 21:39:50 Pau Peris wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > thanks to all for your questions, this issue is also happening to me on a
> > fresh install so i'm pretty sure a package/lib is missing.
> >
> > Hope someone can get out a clue. Thanks. :)
>
> Maybe you can try installing kdebase-startkde or kde-base-meta and see what
> additional packages portage wants to install. The one you need is probably
> one
> of them.
>
> --
>
> - Yohan Pereira
>
> The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference
> between a mermaid and a seal.
>                 -- Mark Twain
>
>
>

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