From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-user+bounces-174560-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60523139085 for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 07:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 36FCE21C080; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 07:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-x243.google.com (mail-wm0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA39321C060 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 07:45:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-x243.google.com with SMTP id m203so12956035wma.3 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 23:45:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=AWRZEJawcW20ghuFx0Ux4vUGouf8tpf52wL6bwlxkoo=; b=Y7enZjo2w7haClzixhHYVMFXDoyIz3m6Pu71mWN/4Bb/tSGZUjqeEelOdCBsEV4IiN y59vvPfKXcsYds1OWmTIYla34jgeTRnDh5gRqGvr6jvpgU0bDXPsa5ovdlYDJz4bCQ6F 21jauzPqWIMDTFZR9tzRCE3GpbVyUbVm3scvj8U2DohN7KlWHXSBIlo1qFg9+F9BS5pG AQyiDMZd1VqVhZGDeEWipSaaqGs4hlbW43PyVeBd+VY8bABP2345B1FWkbQ59hd1u5RB pUgQlVKCMZjbat6oaybPVlyr9hIZ6UTod+qCNk/c3e1n9Fn2BlbRYNp4VM1qsXQ4FVPx 3L2g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=AWRZEJawcW20ghuFx0Ux4vUGouf8tpf52wL6bwlxkoo=; b=PCsdMTufAzlFTrPWu4aptdITebY1yc3LvdWdWmtNI8/QjlR0mBY2zu56RqxCidiTwA v86WPqVZwAkzd+SkQGTmQeyZ3fM6ZK2OUCOA/O3mmhKQ7INqRm25z2k1DfS+5XtcZWWH /G+pTXYU0BaXVd8W8olYFAtf4WFt9Zpjai281w9i6/vZBJDsPuIhB4YViYh1JHok4YlS o9muPuIWw/QsJitT9ewX8B06sj+L2K8cGIuAdPJ7FEdS7bbR/rRMi6r0szkKHFlyo3LY bWSx+becpJM6VU1LJ8FYy7kPH7TD9duj4ZEVOLl7i7Sw5bns/QjgRFlkH1fSN6VsLb8L Rudw== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXLa4TQ70SQ0InUjRIW6/65SI8QUQLSL+W/WwqrUxfPe/EvvCFrhRowhkaOdMfPuXxnyppmod1+D4G54/Q== X-Received: by 10.28.23.16 with SMTP id 16mr9730523wmx.134.1482047110396; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 23:45:10 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.14.73 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 23:45:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5a387b87-b1cd-f061-3008-3c774973b483@gentoo.org> References: <20161015182743.GB4541@solfire> <20161216101951.GA29887@g0n.xdwgrp> <CAGfcS_k+toE5DiWMPZrbnFqnJwVuQQ73B-rAmYeGTeyE-WKzBQ@mail.gmail.com> <20161216131315.GA4052@g0n.xdwgrp> <CAGfcS_=LvKf+pbq1Pfs_RfNUB76yFHz3Dv-FK0ZdFAMt_mAbYQ@mail.gmail.com> <20161216165118.GA26704@g0n.xdwgrp> <CAGfcS_=UDb35V==i5Ma3K6pNBBSyU0Ecp7_u97ZOYSfj-AwnqQ@mail.gmail.com> <20161217055520.GA13608@waltdnes.org> <20161217085341.311b4c0f@digimed.co.uk> <5a387b87-b1cd-f061-3008-3c774973b483@gentoo.org> From: Tom H <tomh0665@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 02:45:09 -0500 Message-ID: <CAOdo=Sz97AoUXk-NUsJ-z-LjkOTKdj_P6FC1GMX9Euktpj8U+w@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No To: Gentoo User <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: adc4abb6-b37c-4f9b-9403-a3115d5dc54c X-Archives-Hash: e2117fc239e24306be9c29c0ccf6332e On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 4:36 AM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> wrote: > On 12/17/2016 12:53 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 00:55:21 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: >>> >>> Again, the average home user is being jerked around for >>> a corporate agenda. >> >> Yes, it is disgusting that developers add the options desired by those >> that pay their wages while completely ignoring the users that give them >> nothing! It's almost like they are scratching their employer's itch while >> ignoring yours. > > I get where you're coming from, but Walter's talking about a real > concern when it comes to libre software and corporate involvement. The > profit motive has the potential to devastate community-oriented > operations, be they libre software, swimming pools, common areas, > municipal Internet, or even housing efforts. That potential for damage > should be baked into any community-based operation's decision-making > process. Greg KH has (IIRC) made the argument that it's the involvement of corporations that has helped Linux grow exponentially, unlike the BSDs. (IIRC, he attributed their involvement to the GPL, but that's a different topic.)