From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A80AD138CC5 for ; Mon, 4 May 2015 14:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BD6BEE0894; Mon, 4 May 2015 14:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f50.google.com (mail-la0-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7CAA5E0882 for ; Mon, 4 May 2015 14:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by labbd9 with SMTP id bd9so106039173lab.2 for ; Mon, 04 May 2015 07:56:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ccawCMu0NVJIwd59fyHZ2SKUpLGpOPDizZDoySfn02E=; b=u6+TaSUU5t07Y3ND9NuodSguUknkVkGQktThXd9002RGwSZOy+aa/vdyyYhIsz5IrL WM+kQMx9EMndHAVzNk/H0lWU5uF0Gmx8D4HLRhwM7bMvfAoKlj7yW1Cvpe4im5GpBK9U Qwcfex90or1X98PXj0vpdgt6eUuPtRN9LfoTbNruG43B1CI3h8GM19plxh5tCA6RirUq Rx46E/0/wsJZEeEbuD5bJ9Cra1Ebq8fPCZFB1/n3+WSR6LA2KrFhmQFMLWq+W2GHv7ig ED51uVFh6BFV7oEu8g9+nNXqhsUngaR4cvcx7s2RrMYPQfneXSp6KZjyZe5gKzrAoLLc 0XQw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.207.41 with SMTP id lt9mr19642006lac.52.1430751382455; Mon, 04 May 2015 07:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.125.194 with HTTP; Mon, 4 May 2015 07:56:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87k2wolwab.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> References: <87lhjws8ci.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <28267.1424201355@ccs.covici.com> <87d257q7en.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <20150218223115.7fb56f66@digimed.co.uk> <87vbitldj5.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <87k2wolwab.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 10:56:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] syslog-ng: how to read the log files From: Tom H To: Gentoo User Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: be095249-b863-481b-98de-84c22a2136f4 X-Archives-Hash: 0d5a341c23ceecf61e1e178b01d51e76 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 1:57 AM, lee wrote: > Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s writes: >> On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 6:41 PM, lee wrote: >>> >>> I can't even read them on a working system. >> >> If that's true (which I highly doubt, more probably you don't know how t= o >> read them), then it's a bug and should be reported and fixed. > > I read log files with less. The bug is that systemd uses some sort of > binary files, and they aren't going to fix it. They even won't fix > their misunderstanding of what "disabled" means. So why make bug > reports? The systemd developers' use of disable/mask isn't wrong simply because you disagree with them. "systemctl disable unit" is the same as "blacklist module": the unit/module can be loaded manually or as a dependency. "systemctl mask unit" is the same as "install module /bin/true": the unit/module can't be loaded.