From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B3D8139085 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 15:49:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 17097E0CA9; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 15:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-x234.google.com (mail-wm0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86732E0C5A for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 15:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-x234.google.com with SMTP id m1so8769944wme.0 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 07:48:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=AUTxhGH4Op8JonBLZUNdIrfVVDotg7fmrbS1dqxtU58=; b=aBPo2qyBy2WPvS85knzLWELU/whFkcIOT/n7OvDpB56ZjI6Lh0VcBRRFnMNT59MzFT 5Zy6Er9lBufQMJ+WkGj6krQrBUVnNfZG4d92BXkVRcVLe3kwKjl3VLftSRxzRCnAhUhx tB0xcSAkfqrx/0jwl+i+MqBLNou0/FVHlx7qR+9y3RMx5+X4XSp6Wr2alQVLc8eUnk34 ruv4OLq/nilZgvcJf6Bxb8NxjMRsMtwPQB5WlzsmIRNiDY9ha2eE2zfpvJnqycVIulnS T9PaOlCPXjiSwdCCk/EBpEY4HnmsgQqhgSWmRoVy1VV/YkjuS0MeJo2dUMtfL9Tb7bj/ E4KA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=AUTxhGH4Op8JonBLZUNdIrfVVDotg7fmrbS1dqxtU58=; b=hlDEWWBYyMTGcwDIGwP42flW+4PL1aMNQWgvsJMo5246i5m5+yfu7EgLa0+25l7CtX WrBqhtQtujF0qLNo1pWF+apMt66+xrsctNSptZX95fAy0FjBLAZYrMLPaMK4s6+mbqlc iJskk/Z/cPBZwlWfg/6m/xjeNUwSSFT1XeFVXYRFdjG105IvAcyBxyZ5FYBNBQY+B65i yaPMFIDdATc8X1JyjMVUVgpsdi6QZcTbjd1zZuJsGixLov7VIXOl27y9pJKl9WHrtx+B TdzZ9si7UEzvu7gm9uyez5sByp0NF77Y4veXUJYtd/PLq0BSrsAhqLD/AsNTYj85AwNq 3WFA== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXIWjJMjBcQUxo1/UbOYOeoogO7ujjO2/0y7oMkjuM4P0u4VpaekK8SQ1VLm1TIZC/xxWdThko88zDmuwQ== X-Received: by 10.28.5.2 with SMTP id 2mr13809428wmf.78.1482594529287; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 07:48:49 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.14.73 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 07:48:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <877f6qoz9t.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> References: <20161015182743.GB4541@solfire> <20161216101951.GA29887@g0n.xdwgrp> <20161216131315.GA4052@g0n.xdwgrp> <20161216165118.GA26704@g0n.xdwgrp> <20161217055520.GA13608@waltdnes.org> <87pokn23ai.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <4c7138ac-cbd2-c60f-2a86-bb7e41e9d6fb@gmail.com> <877f6qoz9t.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> From: Tom H Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 10:48:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No To: Gentoo User Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: d8d35ffe-1674-4520-b5ce-7396c422734f X-Archives-Hash: 8cffcf3ea2c4dd12710220fe5b8e4516 On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 9:07 PM, lee wrote: > Tom H writes: >> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Daniel Frey wrote: >>> >>> It is even more frustrating that these so-called predictable network >>> names actually can change on a reboot, it's happened to me more than >>> once when multiple network cards are detected in a different order. >> >>>>From Kay Sievers in [1]: >> >> >> Btw, predictable means it will not change between reboots, that names >> will not depend on enumeration order within the same setup. It does >> not mean or promise, that added kernel/driver/firmware features will >> not result in different names. That is expected behavior. >> >> >> [1] https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2015-October/034614.html > > So the names will not change when rebooting and are to be expected to > possibly change at any time. > > How is that more reliable? It's more reliable than using the kernel's names because the names won't change UNLESS there's kernel/driver/firmware change for that NIC. I doubt that these changes occur that often. Perhaps someone else knows.